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making isk Mission running v mining so imbalanced.
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Abim Starkiller
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-03-30 05:03:17 UTC
so ive tested its

it. My level 4 mission runnner with noctis support (bountys + selling salvage and loot in jita) - makes 45% more isk per hour than my hulk with orca support (perfect mining an refining skills selling minerals in jita).

just to be clear
i run level 4 security mission with caldari navy / corp police force. In a max out tengu (little i could do to improve it)
I fly a maxed hulk with T2 mining drones, with a orca that has max boosters and the 3 minning links. (nothing i could do to improve it)

Is this working as intended?
Nedes Betternaem
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-03-30 05:07:26 UTC
Silly OP, mining is for bots.
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#3 - 2012-03-30 05:09:27 UTC
Nedes Betternaem wrote:
Silly OP, mining is for bots.


So is running missions.

Check the slides from fanfest, mining and mission running are just as heavily botted.

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-03-30 05:15:53 UTC
More isk for things that shoot back. Seems fair.

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ACE McFACE
Dirt 'n' Glitter
Local Is Primary
#5 - 2012-03-30 05:36:55 UTC
This isnt about the goon's massive failure! i want my money back!

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Adunh Slavy
#6 - 2012-03-30 05:37:43 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
More isk for things that shoot back. Seems fair.



By the time you can run lvl 4s in a tengu, they are shooting fluffy kittens.

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Abim Starkiller
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-03-30 05:39:09 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
More isk for things that shoot back. Seems fair.


Thier is no chance of loseing a ship none at all. Im fine with low sec missions making isk as thier is reel risk. And trust me you have more chance of having your hulk ganked by players in high sec, than a few rats killing your mission runner unless your ******** and newb.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-03-30 05:44:37 UTC
The core of the issue is that mission running isn't affected by supply and demand. The mass alt mining has a majority that doesn't worry about isk per hour, but just the bot ATM. Result is all things industry related drop below what is considered a reasonable isk/hour line.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-03-30 05:47:40 UTC
Do incursions instead. Less risk, much more reward.
Abim Starkiller
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-03-30 05:52:20 UTC
in that case i demand that all bots be band.. here is how you do it CPP destroy all miners in space twice a week for a few months. Refund every one that opens i ticket within 1 hour. Ban every one els.
Asuka Solo
I N E X T R E M I S
Tactical Narcotics Team
#11 - 2012-03-30 05:53:54 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:
Nedes Betternaem wrote:
Silly OP, mining is for bots.


So is running missions.

Check the slides from fanfest, mining and mission running are just as heavily botted.


So is blobbing and gate camping and POS bashing

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Nedes Betternaem
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-03-30 05:59:13 UTC
Asuka Solo wrote:
Tobiaz wrote:
Nedes Betternaem wrote:
Silly OP, mining is for bots.


So is running missions.

Check the slides from fanfest, mining and mission running are just as heavily botted.


So is blobbing and gate camping and POS bashing

In actuality, everything is botted. I am relatively sure that the only person who plays eve and is not a bot is the OP.

Most forum posters are actually bots as well.
Shadowsword
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-03-30 06:04:08 UTC
Abim Starkiller wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
More isk for things that shoot back. Seems fair.


Thier is no chance of loseing a ship none at all. Im fine with low sec missions making isk as thier is reel risk. And trust me you have more chance of having your hulk ganked by players in high sec, than a few rats killing your mission runner unless your ******** and newb.


Hostile player activity is not to be taken into acount when balancing pve income sources. First because it's not relevant when in the same "safe" area, second because it isn't a fixed data and can change a lot over time. And mission runners get ganked on a regular basis, too.


On top of that, mission running take more SP, more initial investment (a faction BS cost a ton more than a Hulk), some prior mission running experience, and require you to actually pay attention at what happens. (Even if the tengu is broken, yes. you can blame overpowered complex shield mods and oversized extenders).
Abim Starkiller
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-03-30 06:07:55 UTC
Nedes Betternaem wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Tobiaz wrote:
Nedes Betternaem wrote:
Silly OP, mining is for bots.


So is running missions.

Check the slides from fanfest, mining and mission running are just as heavily botted.


So is blobbing and gate camping and POS bashing

In actuality, everything is botted. I am relatively sure that the only person who plays eve and is not a bot is the OP.

Most forum posters are actually bots as well.


Dont say that im already paranoid to the point thinking my real life is full of acters like the tuman show. Last thing i need my hobbie is be me 40k bots.

On the other hand.. is thier a probeing bot, im so bad at it id love to have a bot map out a system for me.
Raiykjab
Federal Navy Academy
#15 - 2012-03-30 06:09:11 UTC
Posting in the rare non Mittani related thread on the forum.

And see my sig.

Eve has miners?!
Abim Starkiller
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-03-30 06:10:09 UTC
Shadowsword wrote:
Abim Starkiller wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
More isk for things that shoot back. Seems fair.


Thier is no chance of loseing a ship none at all. Im fine with low sec missions making isk as thier is reel risk. And trust me you have more chance of having your hulk ganked by players in high sec, than a few rats killing your mission runner unless your ******** and newb.


Hostile player activity is not to be taken into acount when balancing pve income sources. First because it's not relevant when in the same "safe" area, second because it isn't a fixed data and can change a lot over time. And mission runners get ganked on a regular basis, too.


On top of that, mission running take more SP, more initial investment (a faction BS cost a ton more than a Hulk), some prior mission running experience, and require you to actually pay attention at what happens. (Even if the tengu is broken, yes. you can blame overpowered complex shield mods and oversized extenders).


so training to a raven and a noctis alt. takes more isk and time than a hulk and orca alt? im not to sure on that buddy.
Abim Starkiller
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-03-30 06:16:24 UTC
Lets face it mining in with perfect skills. should make as much isk as mission running with perfect mission skills. And fleet mining should make as much isk as incursions... its called balance.

Dont blame the bots.. i blame ccp for not clamping down harder. IP BAN ALL BOTS.

how can thier be so many bots? fire the dude incharge of baning bots he is slacking.
Raiykjab
Federal Navy Academy
#18 - 2012-03-30 06:21:49 UTC
Abim Starkiller wrote:
Lets face it mining in with perfect skills. should make as much isk as mission running with perfect mission skills. And fleet mining should make as much isk as incursions... its called balance.

Dont blame the bots.. i blame ccp for not clamping down harder. IP BAN ALL BOTS.

how can thier be so many bots? fire the dude incharge of baning bots he is slacking.


Man really, join the witch hunt, the current mining system must die. If you want to kill a witch you must ignore her, forget her.

If you want to fix mining, don't mine until CCP decide it's time to fix it.

Eve has miners?!
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#19 - 2012-03-30 06:24:46 UTC
Mineral prices might go up when the botted mineral supply from Drone Regios ends. Also Inferno might bring enough incentives for large conflicts to bump up the demand. Mine now, sell later!

I think everybody agrees that L4 missions need to move to lowsec.

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Abim Starkiller
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-03-30 06:27:33 UTC
Raiykjab wrote:
Abim Starkiller wrote:
Lets face it mining in with perfect skills. should make as much isk as mission running with perfect mission skills. And fleet mining should make as much isk as incursions... its called balance.

Dont blame the bots.. i blame ccp for not clamping down harder. IP BAN ALL BOTS.

how can thier be so many bots? fire the dude incharge of baning bots he is slacking.


Man really, join the witch hunt, the current mining system must die. If you want to kill a witch you must ignore her, forget her.

If you want to fix mining, don't mine until CCP decide it's time to fix it.


I would do that. But the real miners quiting will not stop all the botters- so as far as ccp would know thier are 20k happy miner's so happy that they mine 20 hours a day.

I cant belive that ccp are unaware of who the botters are. I have to come to the conclusion that they dont care as they still get the money and do not want to lose subscriber's.
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