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http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ :( I was really hoping to see x,y,z coords on mails. I read the further reply on this too, so even if it doesn't happen in inferno, I hope to see it later.

Also, seconds timestamp please.

I would go as far as to challenge that assumption.
I agree the contract system is more prone to accidental mistakes, there people who live just from that. Contracting got a pretty huge nerf the last time it was changed, but removing this is yet again taking a bit of sand out of the box.

Bookmarking favorite items like with the market would be great step in the right direction though.

Another thing the contracts have as opposed to market is the contract history. You can look up if/what specific people are selling and try to use it in any form. Markets are pretty secret.

Dear Eve Devs:

Please quit making sweeping balancing changes to bring the game in line with a design document and philosophy from a decade ago.

The game is no longer a new property. EvE is old, in gaming terms its ancient. Entire areas of play have grown up around the current balance. The buzzword at fanfest seemed to be iteration. Slow small changes to effect great change. This isn't it. This is the same old CCP of a year ago making huge changes without thinking through the consequences and whiners be damned.

We told you dominion would be bad for 0.0.

We told you moon re balancing would be bad.

We told you...

We told you...

We told you...

And still you shoved all those things in to the universal detriment to the game. And now, we're telling you this system as is is bad for EvE.

If you want wardecs to be more important, sit down and rewrite the underlying code to give you something that is close to what there is now, but is something that is easy to add and change over time as a start. Then slowly roll out changes. Actually iterate on the system instead of one big "Bam! Fixed it!!", causing problems for thousands in your playerbase in a fit of lunacy.

yes, daddy likes this blog. your plan has my approval sir, now go and carry out the final solution!

Big corps can dec you easy, that for sure. If they want to is a different matter.

For you decing big corps, maybe you can find some like minded folk and put some ISK together? Do you see where this is heading to? If you split a few billion by 50 it becomes a much less scary number. Privateers had a lot of fun. You can too, but it will cost you. Ofc, you better make sure you make the ISK back from that war or the war will be pretty short. If you hit the right target you can do that easy. If you let your hate find a target for you, well you will be broke.

CCP doesn't like all those little corps that bore new players out of that game. And I wont blame them. If you can't adapt to the new system or can't find a way to make ISK proper (a few billion a week ain't that hard in highsec) you don't deserve a medal.

ok CCP likes sweeping change, heres 1 ... PLEASE COMMENT :

lets change the war dec name to ... CORP wars (borrowed from faction wars)

and we also change the dec-ing format from affecting entire alliances to ONLY affect at corp wide level.

acronym CC = concord

the war system (or CC bribery spree) becomes fixed price 100m, 24hr CD to start of conflict, and will only last a fixed 5 days without a ending 24hr CD.

a corp can only express to attack 1 war target corp per 50 corp members (ie if you have 101 pilots in your corp, you can goto war with 3 target corps) up to a max of 10 wars (much like a research slot). big alliances can launch multiple strategic wars and will have to be more brainy about it. a corp expressing war as an attacker will no longer be able to use recruitment/expel-member option as per normal (individuals with combat involvement in war will not be able to leave corp via being marked IN-WAR after being involved in any conflict, individuals who have not participated in the attacking war can leave corp by paying 20m ISK to CC during the 6 days)

there will also be a POST WAR CD of 30days in place, so that after completing 1 war expression, that particular CORP war expression ability slot will be on CD of 30days.

so if a attacker corp has 250 pilots that can do 5 simulataneous war fronts uses up all 5 at 5 different war target corps and ends all 5 wars on the same day. the attacker corp will have to wait 30days for all 5 warring expression ability to CD. so it is therefore possible to rotate such warring expression ability to constantly put a target corp at war.

a TARGETTED corp of expressed WAR will not be CC mailed about who is going to attack them, they will have to BRIBE CC 10m ISK to tell them who is the attacker. CC will only inform of impending WAR that will start at bla bla bla date/time.

a ATTACKING corp after BRIBING for WAR expression on target corp will be able to access CC npc agent for free locator services once per day per pilot only on TARGET corp pilots.

an attacker corp cant recruit/expel pilot at anytime of war expressed (individuals may choose to leave if they have not fought). TARGETTED corp pilots can leave war at anytime by paying CC fee 10m ISK and can recruit pilots in at 10m ISK per head. these incoming/outgoing pilots will have to go thru a 24hr CD to shed / take on the WARing status.

a TARGETTED corp cannot reject a WAR, however he can further BRIBE CC to shorten the WAR. pay 40m isk to CC and reduce in WAR time by 48hrs, 80m to reduce by 4 days. in the event of TARGETTED corp war shortening BRIBEs, the time bought over by TARGGETED corp during a WAR becomes unusable for ATTACKER to re-express a new WAR until the time bought by them is expired. attacker cannot end war, once a war starts it will run 6 days for the attacker in full.

a TARGETTED corp can disband CORP to ultimately end ALL EXPRESSED WARS on them. the maximum number of WARS a corp can recieve is 5. ALL disbanded corp members will be marked unable to join other corp/establish new corp for 60days.

a TARGETED CORP whose CEO having a CC sec Status of 5+ and having less than 10 pilots in corp have automatic CC WAR protection scheme. CEO of such CORP will only need to pay 20% of fee to shorten WAR times.

ATTACKING corp can add WAR allies to selected WAR expressions by paying CC an extra 50m isk at time of EXPRESSING WAR on the TARGET. attacker corp cannot add/change number of ally attacker corp DURING a WAR. ally attacker corps are subject to same pilot movement restrictions into/out of corp

TARGETTED corp can add WAR allies to selected WAR expressions by paying CC an extra 50m isk after establishing attacker id of expressed WAR. ally targetted corp pilots are subject to same pilot movement restrictions/schemes/war-time-line as the master corp at war.

CCP will need to make a seperate WAR panel to show WAR in progress time line and openslots avail for new WAR. each WAR slot may or may not display parties involved etc .. .depending on how the GUI programmer think it shud be. but if u ask me, i like 1 panel = 100% info, pls dun ask us to flip pages ... i dun mind scrolls up/down like a web page, every one in game can deal with panels that look like web page.

and yes, if any at war pilot wish to recieve AID from a NEUT pilot, he will have to PAY CC 10m isk. the aiding pilot will then be in the usual aggression CD 15minutes. after 15 minutes is up , if he initiates a new aid, he will need to pay CC 10m isk again. aided pilot will need to click "YES, recieve aid"

n re mutual war, if u want it ... both of u jus go losec n bash it up ... skip the clicking n isk payment process ...

everyone please comment, ESP DEVs/GM ...

TYVM for reading

as far as the basic mechanics go i am very much in favour.

unfortunately the pricing system i am very much concerned about, 20m base then an extra 500k per member i can see ALOT of exploitation unless inactive AND Trail accounts are taken out of the picture but even then, wars still need a reasonable Cap on the price so it doesnt go to rediculus levels.

we all enjoy the odd war but it shouldnt kill our wallet every time we go looking for a decent fight... UNLESS you are planning on giving us a skill that increases the chance of our targets modules and charges surviving the kerplosion if person with skill gets final blow.

Let's leave mutual war-decs out for now (hi RvB!).

Beyond that, most war-decs are a matter of guerilla warfare or overwhelming force.

Let's deal with overwhelming force first:

The main reason to bring overwhelming force is to conquer a POS location. Once you put up a POS, you are actively denying other players that POS site, so you better be ready to defend it. The new war-decs facilitate this, in that they give the defender unlimited ability to recruit allies (subject to available ISK or political resources). Interestingly, the attacker is also able to bring allies - remember that there is no longer a cost multiplier based number of inbound wars, so the attacker can increase their forces either by growing their corp or alliance or by encouraging other parties to declare war on the defender.

The other "overwhelming force" is griefing small indy corps. Beyond simply leaving corp and joining an NPC corp, there are other counters. The most obvious is blowing out the cost of the war-dec by recruiting or joining an alliance. In addition, the quadratic outbound wars multiplier still applies, so a griefer corp declaring war on multiple small corps will find its war-bills going up pretty quickly. Finally, adding war-allies will make it hard for the aggressor to assemble large fleets, and will have to resort to guerilla tactics (see below).


Under the current system, many large corps struggle with guerilla griefer war-decs. A griefer player can get a war-dec to hunt people all over k-space, with almost no risk to themselves. All scouting and meaningful activity is done using alts; they only log on their war characters when a target presents itself. Unless the flow of incoming money can be traced (good luck with that), there's almost nothing a large corp can do other than not undock and provide targets.

In some ways, this is exactly the same struggle faced by small corps. However, the problem is worse for the large corp, as they have more invested in their corp's public identity (and thus it's harder to just "move corp"), and the griefer gets many more potential targets (and locks down many more people) for a single war-dec. This is the rationale for the scaling cost - you pay based on how many people you're going to affect. It's also more practical for a 10-man corp to "stick together", whereas a giant hi-sec corp like RvB or E-Uni has people scattered all over the place (witness number of people who dec RvB to get cheap kills at Jita).

As above, smaller corps can avail themselves of the "large corp defense" - join an alliance, even if its nothing more than a bunch of independent corps gathered together for mutual resilience against war-decs.


As an iteration on the current system, I think this idea has a lot going for it. The main improvement would be to allow a defender to immediately counter-war-dec an attacker that fails to pay to prosecute the war. This option should not be available if the war is ended via "surrender".

A good mechanism for protecting against padding numbers via inactive accounts and alt characters (multiple characters in corp on single account) also needs to be included.

I am sorry. I want to like these changes, but I can't escape the impression that this is replacing a broken system with a broken system.

I kind of like the Merc Market, but aside from that, not so much.

Big alliances have a built in Dec Shield. Goons are already crowing about being immune to wardecs so they will be able to travel through Empire with impunity. Please,please look at those diminishing returns.

Meanwhile closing the existing DecShield and DecShed mechanisms pull the existing protections from small corps while most of the economics push the wars toward them. (Something like chaining closed fire exits on a rickety old building, IMHO)

Not sure what the range will be. Higher base cost will keep one-man and really small corps from being wardec'ed without a specific reason, but somewhere in the 20-50 range I suspect will be very difficult to survive.

I guess alliances will be absolutely necessary?

In some ways I actually prefer what we have now, as flawed as it is.

That would be hilarious. We should do it for a month.

(On a more serious note, that ridiculous loophole will almost certainly be fixed when CCP can decide on whether they want a cap or diminishing returns, and what the maths should be)