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Spy 21
Doomheim
#41 - 2012-03-29 18:07:29 UTC
Unattributed famous quote that may or may not be relevant to the discussion:

In the end the Party would announce that two and two made five, and you would have to believe it. It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of their position demanded it. Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy.

Obfuscation for the WIN on page 3...
Apollo-Moor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-03-29 18:29:41 UTC
They are as replaceable as making a new ALT..

There will always be villans..

Moving along..
Mathias Hex
#43 - 2012-03-29 22:41:06 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:

Goons are not the only "bad guys" in Eve. They are the only allowed hate group in Eve, and we would be better off without them. To assert that without goons there would be no "bad guys" in Eve is absurd.


Athough I do love to hate the goonies I have to agree, one has to assume no less than 80% of eve is filled with bad guys.

I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k.
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#44 - 2012-03-29 22:43:22 UTC
To be the Ying to our Yang ?


Tal
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-03-29 22:49:38 UTC
Ivana Twinkle wrote:
I'm not a bad guy.


Yeah I don't know what the hell these people are on about. I'm the hero in this video game I'm playing.
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#46 - 2012-03-29 22:53:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha Azala
My Neutral Toon wrote:
The goons are actually what everyone in EVE wants to be.



You did make me laugh!


Edit: In fact I'm still laughing, thanks for that.
Shaampoo
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2012-03-29 22:53:44 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
This is me with my trolling-hat off. Eve needs Goons for the simple reason that this game needs BAD GUYS. CCP has developed "evil" NPCs like Sansha's, Blood Raiders, Guristas et al but they don't provoke anger or hatred in the same way as the Goons. We need something to passionately hate. We also need an unpredictable and ruthless entity that will keep us on our toes and uphold Eve's reputation as a dark, merciless universe. The Goons fit this bill quite nicely. Obviously the Mittani went one step too far and manned up with an OOC apology and compensation, and CCP has followed through with a reasonable punishment.

But Eve MUST remain a cruel and dark place. This is what makes Eve better than every other MMO out there. If you detest the goons, defeat them ingame. Resorting to "meta-game" tactics is sad and pathetic. You're no longer playing a game. Find yourself a new hobby if you're starting to take Eve too seriously.

Long live Eve.
But must keep putting them on a pedestal like we do. Perhapes we should have a single day a harvest where we don't mention they who mush not be named and spent he night drinking and regaling the victories this harvest .
Headerman
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2012-03-29 22:55:06 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
This is me with my trolling-hat off. Eve needs Goons for the simple reason that this game needs BAD GUYS. CCP has developed "evil" NPCs like Sansha's, Blood Raiders, Guristas et al but they don't provoke anger or hatred in the same way as the Goons. We need something to passionately hate. We also need an unpredictable and ruthless entity that will keep us on our toes and uphold Eve's reputation as a dark, merciless universe. The Goons fit this bill quite nicely. Obviously the Mittani went one step too far and manned up with an OOC apology and compensation, and CCP has followed through with a reasonable punishment.

But Eve MUST remain a cruel and dark place. This is what makes Eve better than every other MMO out there. If you detest the goons, defeat them ingame. Resorting to "meta-game" tactics is sad and pathetic. You're no longer playing a game. Find yourself a new hobby if you're starting to take Eve too seriously.

Long live Eve.


TheMittani alt detected lol

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SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#49 - 2012-03-29 23:02:32 UTC
Shaampoo wrote:
But must keep putting them on a pedestal like we do. Perhapes we should have a single day a harvest where we don't mention they who mush not be named and spent he night drinking and regaling the victories this harvest .


One of the oddest thing about people putting us up on a pedestal is they are putting us on it for all the wrong reasons. There are better highsec gank guilds than us. There are better griefers than us. We aren't even that good at PvP, the swarm isn't just an Ironic joke, it's how we win fights, buy putting a lot of low SP pilots into relatively cheap easy to fly ships. Test is actually outgooning us on a fairly regular basis now when it comes to just being plain out offensive and gross.

The thing we do well is build relationships. You can't built a coalition on the game plan of "Being an *******".
My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-03-30 14:49:06 UTC
JamesCLK wrote:
Sister Rhode wrote:
Josefius wrote:
Sister Rhode wrote:
Opertone wrote:
What happened to Goons?


We are disbanding the alliance. The MIttani is quitting Eve because of this injustice, and the majority of the alliance is moving back to Second Life. Some member corps will stay, but not under the Goon banner.

RIP it was fun while it lasted.


That's not what he said in the SoTG.


SotGs are always designed to spread mis-information. Why do you think it was on EveNews24 so fast?


Obviously Riverini already broke the NDA Roll




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Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2012-03-30 16:01:46 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
We ain't evil, we're just good looking.

(any more alice cooper fans here or just me?)


this is about goons ... i dunno why you felt to reply , like you are a goon

alice cooper ... yes i was until he was found guilty

Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!
Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#52 - 2012-03-30 18:47:40 UTC
Wow. Sorry OP but the stuff on the floor of the forums is getting a little thick.

OP, if you follow eve history, the Goons actually started out as "good guys" until BOB tried to curb stomp them into oblivion. Their own advertised lore backs up that claim as an excuse for their recreation into the swarm. They are not the only bad guys in eve. They are the biggest threat to miners I think Eve has seen in recent times. The collective apologist and band wagon jumping is getting a little gross.

Allow me to remind you of some of the other rogues haunting the space lanes that I have had the honor of losing ships to or being in awe of their proficiency:

Suddenly Ninjas, (these guys were the bane of every hisec missioner who had never even heard of a goon)
Moar Tears, (beware JF's everywhere)
Unicorns with... (I think these guys are Ninja's pretending it was a sudden attack)
A hundred jerky little corps who steal cans in belts, (can't remember all their names)
BOB, (the ORIGINAL Boogie man of Eve)
IT Alliance, (The bad reimagining that got cancelled from syndication not long after launch)
Heretic Nation, (these guys are the moist proficient toll booth operators in eve. Stay out of their systems)
Negative Ten, (Bad bad boys but they always seem to honor a ransom.)

I imagine so many more I have never heard of are out their creating content, churning the waters, having fun.

Eve has had a veritable buffet of "evil alliances" who tried to stomp everyone else. -A- is about to remind Eve who they are. The Goons are awesome but so are a hundred other alliances and corps. The true test of the Goons will come when their quick cash moon empire is taken away and they actually have to find ways to fund their griefing without their hatred enemy the industrialist.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-03-30 18:50:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
This is why I am pro- GOON. Whenever I see one I spit on them in hi-sec and try to blow them up anywhere else. The GOONS are the only badguys in EVE and every good game needs a badguy.

What people don't understand is that the GOONs are actually TRYING to be the badguys. They love pissing all of us off. Everytime a carebear cries on the forums, somewhere there is a GOON smiling.

The more people hate on GOONs the more they are winning.

Until someone or something can fulfill the badguy role better than the GOONs I will support a good chunk of the things they do. Not all of them of course but a nice amount.

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Weiland Taur
The Icarus Expedition
Solyaris Chtonium
#54 - 2012-03-30 19:01:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Weiland Taur
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
This is why I am pro- GOON. Whenever I see one I spit on them in hi-sec and try to blow them up anywhere else. The GOONS are the only badguys in EVE and every good game needs a badguy.

What people don't understand is that the GOONs are actually TRYING to be the badguys. They love pissing all of us off. Everytime a carebear cries on the forums, somewhere there is a GOON smiling.

The more people hate on GOONs the more they are winning.

Until someone or something can fulfill the badguy role better than the GOONs I will support a good chunk of the things they do. Not all of them of course but a nice amount.


I've got to get off this thread but let me say this. I like the goons. I like what they do for the most part. They have some of the best posters on the forums and their big show spectacles are fun. But that is what they are, the big fireworks spectacle of Eve who sit in null and then suddenly with a massive budget do big weekend mini-series specials and we all go "OOOHHH."

Except for their market manipulation they have a far lower impact on highsec corps that any of the corps I mentioned in a previous post who are out their greifing, ganking, putting in an honest 9-5pm making it hard for the mission runner, industrialist and too rich flashy drivers everywhere. That is what makes Eve awesome, the collection of rogues not just the really loud ones.


Now off to debate the merits of another midslot in the hulk. Damn it, what the Hulk really needs is missile launchers.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#55 - 2012-03-30 19:11:38 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
This is me with my trolling-hat off. Eve needs Goons for the simple reason that this game needs BAD GUYS. CCP has developed "evil" NPCs like Sansha's, Blood Raiders, Guristas et al but they don't provoke anger or hatred in the same way as the Goons. We need something to passionately hate. We also need an unpredictable and ruthless entity that will keep us on our toes and uphold Eve's reputation as a dark, merciless universe. The Goons fit this bill quite nicely. Obviously the Mittani went one step too far and manned up with an OOC apology and compensation, and CCP has followed through with a reasonable punishment.

But Eve MUST remain a cruel and dark place. This is what makes Eve better than every other MMO out there. If you detest the goons, defeat them ingame. Resorting to "meta-game" tactics is sad and pathetic. You're no longer playing a game. Find yourself a new hobby if you're starting to take Eve too seriously.

Long live Eve.


I don't think anyone wants the Bees to go away, but then I don't think many people want them running the game either....Cool

And there are plenty of unpleasant people in the game that actually play the game, and don't play it on the forums....Shocked


Signature removed - CCP Eterne
WarriorKoragg
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#56 - 2012-03-30 19:13:46 UTC
Headerman wrote:
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
This is me with my trolling-hat off. Eve needs Goons for the simple reason that this game needs BAD GUYS. CCP has developed "evil" NPCs like Sansha's, Blood Raiders, Guristas et al but they don't provoke anger or hatred in the same way as the Goons. We need something to passionately hate. We also need an unpredictable and ruthless entity that will keep us on our toes and uphold Eve's reputation as a dark, merciless universe. The Goons fit this bill quite nicely. Obviously the Mittani went one step too far and manned up with an OOC apology and compensation, and CCP has followed through with a reasonable punishment.

But Eve MUST remain a cruel and dark place. This is what makes Eve better than every other MMO out there. If you detest the goons, defeat them ingame. Resorting to "meta-game" tactics is sad and pathetic. You're no longer playing a game. Find yourself a new hobby if you're starting to take Eve too seriously.

Long live Eve.


TheMittani alt detected lol


I get the same feeling somehow,
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#57 - 2012-03-30 19:43:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Nick Bison
Although EVE does not need goons, heck it doesn't really need any single alliance out there as another will pop up in it's stead, I do like having them about as they are most helpful in pushing the game envelope and create some great game content/drama ... seriously, how dull would it be if they were gone?

My Neutral Toon wrote:
If you don't like GSF. Then take them down.

Mittnes ban shows you CCP is not in the goons back pocket.
IF you are not strong enough to take them down. then STFU, this is Eve.


And to this guy ... simmer down there internet-tough-guy.

I can't take the goons down but that will not stop me from engaging with them in some smack-talk and a few back and forth forum bashings ... ~deal with it~



[edited for my bad typing]

Nothing clever at this time.
Marlona Sky
State War Academy
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-03-30 20:06:24 UTC
Goons need EVE more than EVE needs goons.
Clyde ElectraGlide
Emara Entertainment Inc.
#59 - 2012-03-30 20:25:09 UTC
I like the goons because they generate content like no one else can. No one alliance causes more controversy and more tears like the goons do, and the events this past week confirm that. Whether it's fighting BOB, the Incarna mess, or the titan nerf, you can bet it's going to attract a lot of attention. Not only that, but they do have the interest in keeping the game good (see: tech nerf)!

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Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2012-03-30 21:41:55 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
Ivana Twinkle wrote:
I'm not a bad guy.


Yeah I don't know what the hell these people are on about. I'm the hero in this video game I'm playing.


Thats a coincidence, I too am the hero in my game, leading a whole corporation of heroic warriors into battle against the nameless hordes that wage constant war against us. Seems to me its everyone else is the bad guys.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.