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Jita Will Not Burn
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Kara Roideater
#41 - 2012-03-29 16:11:53 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
oh no it might be expensive

i hope the 100b of tech i sold this morning will help


Putting the pleasure you will get from griefing the general population aside, aren't you just providing your enemies with a 'make Goons poorer' button as long as you stay in Jita? They can get 'pvp wins' just by getting you to lose ships via blowing up their lesser value ships. Kind of a reverse cash dispenser. I fully intend to get my own first pvp victories this way
Roxwar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2012-03-29 16:12:09 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
oh no it might be expensive

i hope the 100b of tech i sold this morning will help


Bro, lend me a bill please, i have lots of disposable catalysts/thrashers to buy.... Lol
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-03-29 16:22:17 UTC
Kara Roideater wrote:
Putting the pleasure you will get from griefing the general population aside, aren't you just providing your enemies with a 'make Goons poorer' button as long as you stay in Jita? They can get 'pvp wins' just by getting you to lose ships via blowing up their lesser value ships. Kind of a reverse cash dispenser. I fully intend to get my own first pvp victories this way


Nobody has ever lost a war because of ISK or killboard stats.

The nullsec war game is all about morale; getting your guys to log in and x up for fleets, and making the enemy players not want to. A large element of Mittani's Goonswarm is regular demonstrations that they are not super-serious space faggots, while they spend the other 99% of their time acting like super-serious space faggots.
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#44 - 2012-03-29 16:25:29 UTC
Kara Roideater wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
oh no it might be expensive

i hope the 100b of tech i sold this morning will help


Putting the pleasure you will get from griefing the general population aside, aren't you just providing your enemies with a 'make Goons poorer' button as long as you stay in Jita? They can get 'pvp wins' just by getting you to lose ships via blowing up their lesser value ships. Kind of a reverse cash dispenser. I fully intend to get my own first pvp victories this way


putting the pleasure you get from having sex aside, isn't it just sort of boring exercise
Kara Roideater
#45 - 2012-03-29 16:28:23 UTC
Darth Tickles wrote:
Kara Roideater wrote:
Putting the pleasure you will get from griefing the general population aside, aren't you just providing your enemies with a 'make Goons poorer' button as long as you stay in Jita? They can get 'pvp wins' just by getting you to lose ships via blowing up their lesser value ships. Kind of a reverse cash dispenser. I fully intend to get my own first pvp victories this way


Nobody has ever lost a war because of ISK or killboard stats.

The nullsec war game is all about morale; getting your guys to log in and x up for fleets, and making the enemy players not want to. A large element of Mittani's Goonswarm is regular demonstrations that they are not super-serious space faggots, while they spend the other 99% of their time acting like super-serious space faggots.


Still, won't it give their opponents a chance to boost their own morale, as they will only be losing isk as well - just less of it? Perhaps everyone gets to declare victory, making Burn Jita a selfless and altruistic gesture.
Kara Roideater
#46 - 2012-03-29 16:29:01 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Kara Roideater wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
oh no it might be expensive

i hope the 100b of tech i sold this morning will help


Putting the pleasure you will get from griefing the general population aside, aren't you just providing your enemies with a 'make Goons poorer' button as long as you stay in Jita? They can get 'pvp wins' just by getting you to lose ships via blowing up their lesser value ships. Kind of a reverse cash dispenser. I fully intend to get my own first pvp victories this way


putting the pleasure you get from having sex aside, isn't it just sort of boring exercise


And expensive!
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#47 - 2012-03-29 16:34:59 UTC
Kara Roideater wrote:
Still, won't it give their opponents a chance to boost their own morale, as they will only be losing isk as well - just less of it? Perhaps everyone gets to declare victory, making Burn Jita a selfless and altruistic gesture.


Naw, not really.

Their current enemies aren't very creative in the image game as it is and what you're talking about is a bit of a stretch, so even if there is admittedly an opportunity there, they don't have the talent to exploit it.
Driftfire
Northern Star Enterprises
#48 - 2012-03-29 18:11:15 UTC
Going to buy a **** load of badgers - or the like. A low- skill alt with Clone in 4/4 and see how many gank a 300k isk ship....
Vasili Revenent
Taylor Made One
#49 - 2012-03-29 18:30:24 UTC
Meh.

People will adapt. Just like people adapted during the ice interdiction.

This will be almost darwinian in nature.

Whilst a jita interdiction will impact me in some small way I'm looking forward to seeing how this pans out.

Say what you like about the goons, they are 'adding content' to the game.
Ave Volta
Perkone
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-03-29 18:50:05 UTC
Jas Dor wrote:
Ave Volta wrote:
I don't care who's ships and being blown up at a greater rate. It's all good for the economy Twisted


Did you really mean to post that under the corp/alliance ticker that you used?


Yes. The entire freight and logistics industry is dependent on the destruction that fuels the flames of industry.

Of course, it goes without saying, we would rather our ships survive.

Black Frog Logistics - Lowsec/Nullsec Logistics Services. Join ingame channel 'Black Frog' for more info.
CEO Rockhound
suspended animations DOT
#51 - 2012-03-29 20:56:38 UTC
Vasili Revenent wrote:
Meh.

People will adapt. Just like people adapted during the ice interdiction.

This will be almost darwinian in nature.

Whilst a jita interdiction will impact me in some small way I'm looking forward to seeing how this pans out.

Say what you like about the goons, they are 'adding content' to the game.



Your corp can also add content to the game.
CFC Interdiction in Jita.

Your corp can do a 'Motsu Interdiction" along with some of your friends.
Kara Books
Deal with IT.
#52 - 2012-03-29 22:04:10 UTC
Umn im down to 1.5B yhe umn did I miss the items or something?
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2012-03-29 22:34:27 UTC
I just want to clarify a few things. I'm not saying that Jita burning is morally or ethically wrong. I'm simply saying that I don't think you have the logistics to interdict the level of traffic going through Jita, and didn't properly run the numbers before thinking out this plan.

Nor am I implying that Burn Jita is going to be completely unsuccessful. Goons may well sow enough FUD that the market hub moves to Amar. The issue here though is that for a number of reasons a good chunk of market participants want to move the main trade hub to Amar.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#54 - 2012-03-29 22:49:11 UTC
This thread needs some Mass Attack:

"Fail attempt has failed to usurp the carebear level of don't care-edness. Carebears don't care so much they don't come to your space and they don't harass you and indeed they don't even fight back. That is the ultimate don't care, and there isn't anything you can do, short of dying of starvation, next to a pack of cheetos, that will demostrate a don't care level beyond that of the carebear."

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Catho Sharn
Don't Die Interstellar Enterprises
#55 - 2012-03-29 23:05:57 UTC
Burn Jita is simply a disinformation campaign designed to redirect attention away from null sec operations.
Rutherford Rainman
The Actual US Department of Energy
#56 - 2012-03-30 04:36:04 UTC
All I know is that I'm going to be sitting outside 4-4 on april 28th in a cloaked ship watching the show. I hope the goons deliver.
OfBalance
Caldari State
#57 - 2012-03-30 04:39:55 UTC
Catho Sharn wrote:
Burn Jita is simply a disinformation campaign designed to redirect attention away from null sec operations.


There is a titan pilot who wishes it was a better distraction too. Blink
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#58 - 2012-03-30 05:17:48 UTC
Jas Dor wrote:
I just want to clarify a few things. I'm not saying that Jita burning is morally or ethically wrong. I'm simply saying that I don't think you have the logistics to interdict the level of traffic going through Jita, and didn't properly run the numbers before thinking out this plan.

Nor am I implying that Burn Jita is going to be completely unsuccessful. Goons may well sow enough FUD that the market hub moves to Amar. The issue here though is that for a number of reasons a good chunk of market participants want to move the main trade hub to Amar.


The fact that you think you actually know "the plan" is cute. Also, it's "Amarr". Two "r".

OfBalance wrote:
Catho Sharn wrote:
Burn Jita is simply a disinformation campaign designed to redirect attention away from null sec operations.


There is a titan pilot who wishes it was a better distraction too. Blink

On the contrary, it was so much a distraction that he jumped instead of bridged! Lol

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
OfBalance
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-03-30 05:23:35 UTC
corestwo wrote:
On the contrary, it was so much a distraction that he jumped instead of bridged! Lol


Touche.
Jarnis McPieksu
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2012-03-30 06:06:54 UTC
Jas Dor wrote:
I just want to clarify a few things. I'm not saying that Jita burning is morally or ethically wrong. I'm simply saying that I don't think you have the logistics to interdict the level of traffic going through Jita, and didn't properly run the numbers before thinking out this plan.


Look, just by saying "Goons will do X" will get a major reaction out of carebears. Just watch the markets over the next month or so, people will be stocking up in raw materials and preparing for potential inaccessibility of Jita for at least a week or two. All that without firing a single shot

Plan "Gank every freighter that jumps into Jita on an average day" is, as you stated, logistically unfeasible. Plan "gank every freighter that jumps into Jita on the 'Burn Jita' day" is easily feasible as the first few wrecks will cut down the number of pilots jumping in dramatically. The mere threat of "we'll gank every freighter jumping in" will scare off most of them. Goons can easily blockade every gate against any slow moving ships and Jita market volumes are so huge that covops haulers just can't take care of the business - and even those may be gankable if Goons just pile up enough people into the system (can't cloak if every square kilometer of space around gates is occupied by a Goon)

There is also the secondary issue of Jita population cap. Goons can easily blob out the system so that nobody is even able to jump in, tho such an act may be risky as it may give a reason for CCP to intervene.