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Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#181 - 2012-03-29 20:05:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Valkyria Caeli wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
I disagree with the theory that Caldari State would get involved. This will be capsuleers shooting capsuleers, and the State is not idiotic enough to go to war with a capsuleer alliance when they can very easily wait them out and let CONCORD limit the problems, and they have a war with another nation state in their hands.


You are really saying that a nation would not react if a power from outside its boarders came in and interdicted its largest financial center? at best I could see them not pushing the conflict back into Goon territory but simply watching as their largest trade hub was attacked? Sorry but that is idiotic.

I am not convinced that Jita is the State's "largest financial center" in such a way that blockading capsuleers from it causes them huge losses in the long run. Jita is not a hub in the pre-capsuleer PF; it is a hub because capsuleers went there. Capsuleers might leave because of the blockade, but if they do, they will establish another hub in the State, and thus the State does not lose their trade other than temporarily. War might make the whole thing more costly. Obviously, some stationside traders and local government in Jita will be outraged and demand that the State do something... but whether the State cares enough about Jita that has benefited from capsuleers at the extent of neighboring systems for so long, I am not certain of. (Depends probably partly on whether the politicians in charge originate from Jita or not...)

No offense to natives of Jita implied. ;)

(PS. Obviously if CCP decides to make a story out of it that will be awesome and I play along. But if it was me making it, I'd make up some newspiece about authorities in Jita demanding State intervention and State being all handwavy and "the front is that way".)
Valkyria Caeli
Doomheim
#182 - 2012-03-29 20:24:33 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Valkyria Caeli wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
I disagree with the theory that Caldari State would get involved. This will be capsuleers shooting capsuleers, and the State is not idiotic enough to go to war with a capsuleer alliance when they can very easily wait them out and let CONCORD limit the problems, and they have a war with another nation state in their hands.


You are really saying that a nation would not react if a power from outside its boarders came in and interdicted its largest financial center? at best I could see them not pushing the conflict back into Goon territory but simply watching as their largest trade hub was attacked? Sorry but that is idiotic.

I am not convinced that Jita is the State's "largest financial center" in such a way that blockading capsuleers from it causes them huge losses in the long run. Jita is not a hub in the pre-capsuleer PF; it is a hub because capsuleers went there. Capsuleers might leave because of the blockade, but if they do, they will establish another hub in the State, and thus the State does not lose their trade other than temporarily. War might make the whole thing more costly. Obviously, some stationside traders and local government in Jita will be outraged and demand that the State do something... but whether the State cares enough about Jita that has benefited from capsuleers at the extent of neighboring systems for so long, I am not certain of. (Depends probably partly on whether the politicians in charge originate from Jita or not...)

No offense to natives of Jita implied. ;)

(PS. Obviously if CCP decides to make a story out of it that will be awesome and I play along. But if it was me making it, I'd make up some newspiece about authorities in Jita demanding State intervention and State being all handwavy and "the front is that way".)


Well I can understand that Jita was never planned and just kind of turned into this giant trade hub but giant trade hubs generate lots of taxes for all levels of gov't controlling the area. So maybe they don't go full on war with the Goons but I would still have a tough time buying that they would do nothing. At the least some across the board outlaw declaration allowing anyone in their space to freely hunt them would seem likely. Perhaps not allowing any of these alliances to dock up in highsec also seems likely.

But regardless what CCP chooses to do with it I would just like to see them do something, to make somekind of an event out of it.
Largo Usagi
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#183 - 2012-03-29 20:28:46 UTC
If they wanted to make an event out of it treat jita like 0.0 for that weekend, have concord step back and let players duke it out in the heart of empire, It can bee a weekend thunder dome. That would be an event worth seeing.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#184 - 2012-03-29 20:35:19 UTC
turning this into a small role playing event would be pretty cool to watch unfold, especially if some of goons enemies came in as allies
Tech3ZH
Doomheim
#185 - 2012-03-29 20:38:48 UTC
Ooh...cool! So there might actually be more of a chance of "real" fighting rather than just the megagankfest sillinessI thought the gewneez were going to pull after the election?...well...a bunch of tornadoes...hmm...guess we'll see... It is nice of you guys to be coming out here anyway! Very convenient, thanks!
It's good that you guys are gonna shake things up a bit. I mean...you goons are jerks, but at least you're not boring jerks! :D This jita burning thing promises to be interesting.
The mercs of EVE are gonna love you guys! You are gonna make them a lot of money as they get hired by all the various jita folks to defend jita. A pod-goo EVE-economy stimulus courtesy of GSF I'm hoping to get in on a little piece of the action before all the mercs get ya. Should be fun while it lasts, anyway...
Wait...so... GSF is going to sustain a jita interdiction/burning/whatever at the same time as a major nullsec war? Can you guys do that without overextending yourselves? Hmm...is this some kind of metagaming trick? I mean, mittens and his top guys are a whole lot smarter than I am...and if little me can kind of tell something seems weird...wonder what's up?
Well, I do hope you guys..."visit" jita for awhile, anyhow, it will be fun...please?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#186 - 2012-03-29 20:41:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Old Chen wrote:
Ninyania alCladdyth wrote:
What a wonderful day for a (totally random... wink wink) high-sec incursion to happen... right in the middle of Jita.



From the something Awful forums.
March 6th

"10,000+: Tornado Weekend in Jita. Entire alliance visits Jita, grabs Tornadoes, alphas freighters on the 4-4 undock, shutting down EVE ..."


"10,000+: Tornado Weekend in Jita. Entire alliance visits Jita, grabs Tornadoes, alphas freighters on the 4-4 undock, shutting down JITA."

Jita is NOT the game.

Blue-ball Goons by not showing up.

And now a word from Mass Attack:

"Through the constant harassment over the years the high-sec player can really no longer be termed the carebear. These guys have taken beating after beating and you know what, they're still there, truckin along.

You think high-sec-carebear cares? High-sec-carebear is craaaaaazy, he don't give a ****. "

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Ai Mei
Starfish Operating Syndicate
#187 - 2012-03-29 20:59:49 UTC
its not 10,000 votes for him seriously.

Remember the dev blog a while back that said 40% of eve players had multiple accounts? so in reality thats only 6000 people that voted for him.

and even then with over 300,000 accounts in eve online currently active. He still only received 3-4% of the overall total possible votes that could have been casted. So yeah. I made my point.
Brittany Harpoon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#188 - 2012-03-29 21:08:10 UTC
Wonder if concords instablat guns will be rushed out for "field testing" the day of jita burns
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#189 - 2012-03-29 21:12:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Valkyria Caeli wrote:
But I don't think the Goons should assume that Empire factions would have no reaction and not care about what was happening. They shouldn't be able to hide behind what are the current mechanics of the game.


What are we supposed to do, be FORCED into JITA by some game mechanic ???

How about some more Mass Attack: "Through the constant harassment over the years the high-sec player can really no longer be termed the carebear. These guys have taken beating after beating and you know what, they're still there, truckin along.

You think high-sec-carebear cares? High-sec-carebear is craaaaaazy, he don't give a ****."

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Apollo-Moor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#190 - 2012-03-29 21:14:51 UTC
Yourmoney Mywallet wrote:
This makes me really sad. Sad

I think I'll just off myse---

What, too early?


The joke is "too soon.."
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#191 - 2012-03-29 21:18:37 UTC
Wait, why do we care about Jita?

And why would CCP care if it gets attacked?

This reminds me of Occupy camping Oakland CA, one of the poorest cities in the nation, pointless.

I'm an American, English is my second language...

Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#192 - 2012-03-29 21:22:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirk Magnum
Dirk's Account Management wrote:
next billing date is 06 March 2013

As much as I want to get my money's worth out of that annual renewal, if CCP really does intervene to stop the chaos... Sad

Bootleg Jack wrote:
This reminds me of Occupy camping Oakland CA, one of the poorest cities in the nation, pointless.

Bootleg Jack wrote:
one of the poorest cities in the nation

That has something to do with it. The poorest US metropolitan areas are where the income disparities are the broadest between the top and the majority.

                      "LIVE FAST DIE." - traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]

Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#193 - 2012-03-29 21:24:14 UTC
Dirk Magnum wrote:
Dirk's Account Management wrote:
next billing date is 06 March 2013

As much as I want to get my money's worth out of that annual renewal, if CCP really does intervene to stop the chaos... Sad


Wait, did I miss something, did CCP say they would stop such an attack or are you people just dreaming up drama?

I'm an American, English is my second language...

Dirk Magnum
Spearhead Endeavors
#194 - 2012-03-29 21:25:05 UTC
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Dirk Magnum wrote:
Dirk's Account Management wrote:
next billing date is 06 March 2013

As much as I want to get my money's worth out of that annual renewal, if CCP really does intervene to stop the chaos... Sad


Wait, did I miss something, did CCP say they would stop such an attack or are you people just dreaming up drama?

Tinfoiling across the meta channels.

                      "LIVE FAST DIE." - traditional Minmatar ethos [citation needed]

Plaude Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#195 - 2012-03-29 21:28:21 UTC
I'm still gonna stick with Rens, Hek and Dodixie. They're nice places to hang out around...

Seriously, though. There are better places than Jita. Have you ever been to Dodixie? Have you ever been to Hek? Have you ever woken up dead-drunk in a moat? There are better places than Jita. Sure, you can buy anything in Jita. But you can buy almost anything in the other trade-hubs, including things you don't really need anyway. I'm actually looking forward to seeing the evolution on the market, since my other two accounts will be going WH-ward pretty soon anyway to get better ores. Who knows. Maybe EVE will benefit, maybe it won't. We'll never know until it happens. Well, I know. You don't. I know I'm going to use the Goons' irrational and immature behavior to earn lots of ISK myself. Have fun dying in a fire, Jita-folks. I'll be standing in my Captain's Quarters in Dodixie, watching it on the monitor, laughing at your extinction. Maybe then you'll realize that there are better places, cold and muddy moats included.

New to EVE? Want to learn? The Crimson Cartel will train you in the fields of _**your **_choice. Mainly active in EU afternoons and evenings. Contact me for more info.

Mathias Hex
#196 - 2012-03-29 22:01:59 UTC
Plaude Pollard wrote:
Have fun dying in a fire, Jita-folks. I'll be standing in my Captain's Quarters in Dodixie, watching it on the monitor.


That actually sounds pretty awesome, put a live stream up for all the trade hubs and we need a remote on the couch.

I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k.

Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#197 - 2012-03-30 00:44:39 UTC
Bootleg Jack wrote:

Wait, did I miss something, did CCP say they would stop such an attack or are you people just dreaming up drama?


Nah, ccp outside of their devblog statements about the initial cause of the issue has not given word directly on it. Pretty much unless people try to take it as more than just another type of hulkageddon or other pirate event, We really seriously doubt that there will be. With a month to go until then, most people will know and it will be more of people just shooting eachother more than anything else.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Kolya Medz
Kolya Inc.
#198 - 2012-03-30 03:08:46 UTC
I hope this brings lots of business to Amarr!!! Time to buy buy buy...
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris
#199 - 2012-03-30 04:50:38 UTC
Largo Usagi wrote:
If CCP takes action against the jita burn, I will be done with eve, it would be irrefutable proof that the sandbox is completely dead. No where in space should be 100% safe and the mechanics the way they are keep a good balance, ******* with that balance is just wrong and thats what would have to be done to stop this from happening.
I know you all want to get your panties in a bunch but you do know that there is a precedent for CCP to interfere in this kind of thing that stretches way, way back to launch, right?
Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris
#200 - 2012-03-30 04:51:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Pesky LaRue
Largo Usagi wrote:
If CCP takes action against the jita burn, I will be done with eve, it would be irrefutable proof that the sandbox is completely dead. No where in space should be 100% safe and the mechanics the way they are keep a good balance, ******* with that balance is just wrong and thats what would have to be done to stop this from happening.
I know you all want to get your panties in a bunch but you do know that there is a precedent for CCP to interfere in this kind of thing that stretches way, way back to launch, right?

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/M0o_corp_(Player_corporation)#Developer_Interaction