EVE General Discussion

Source? You don't get banned for asking a question about the rules through the petition system. You might, however, get banned for asking a question, and then doing it anyways while you wait for a response. Or for doing the activity and then asking a question about it after the fact.

I don't think that is the same thing that the GM was talking about. The GM was talking about players being allowed to ask questions regarding the rules via the petition system.

The guy who you are talking about most likely did more than privately tell CCP about an issue with these forums. I am not exactly familiar with the issue because I wasn't really using the new forums when they first came out. But I expect that what happened was either this guy used the bug himself, or he told the public how to use the bug.

Taedrin is quite correct, as in-game issues are the field of Customer Support, not the Forums.

In that regard, even if the deed has been done already and you realize that you may have violated a rule, turning yourself in (and most importantly, stopping to do it) before you get reported by others or get caught by us is something we will respect and always hold in your favour. For good and bad examples in this regard I can only point you to Sreegs Dev Blog, the philosophy on how to report something "exploity" in the game you may have run into accidentally is somewhat similar.

This is what is commonly known about your list o stuff that you want to know about. The GMs can chime in it things have been changed or have always been a bit fuzzy.


1) Keyboard macros a'la the G15 Logitech keyboard
A long time ago there was a thread about this and the feeling i got from that thread was that as long as it does not automate something like mining or give you an advantage its ok. Mostly the thread way back when was to use the G15 LCD screen to display other data and people wanted to group keys such as guns together. However I suspect someone could modify the key-binds to do some sort of turbo button function for locking. This would give the advantage to tacklers and thus would be against the rules.

2) Loggoffski/loggonski
Much to my chagrin this is legal in all forms.

3) Corp hopping to evade war decs
Legal to most extents. Corp hoping has been petitioned to death and has been found to be legal in almost all cases. I have not seen the exception rule be enforced in ages so I guess it no longer is a rule. The only other instance of rule breaking with wars is the Imune Alliance. One alliance which sheds the wars of incoming corps.

4) Corp recycling to evade war decs
This was the rumored exception but I have not seen an example of it

5) Alt recycling
You can recycle alts, you cant recycle alts for suicideing when their sec gets too bad.

6) Alliance hopping to evade war decs.
Legal, or at lease leaving an alliance to avoid a dec. Useing the Imune tactic of joining an alliance and then leaving to shed a dec is considered illegal.

7) Using alt corps to artificially inflate the cost of war decs
Considered legal as far as PRVTR knows

8) "Hacking" local chat to make you not appear on other people's local channel
The monkeysphere hack is considered an exploit

9) can baiting in newbie systems
considered a bannable offence

10) Modifying non-executable EVE data to make decorative changes to EVE, such as getting the TV to play customized videos.
Technically illegal, but people still do it. I do not think CCP cares much for such decorative tweaking of the captains quarters. Messing with space stuff however may get you banned.

11) Market cache scraping to automatically collect,collate and upload market data.
CCP wants to use the API for this, they may also want 99$ I would say this would be illegal but CCP wont catch you.

See this is where there are discrepancies.

2.
-Logoffskis "are" considered legal because CCP can't prove it was a log off or a D/C. However there are many cases where a fleet will logoffski and its pretty obvious they all didn't d/c at once.

-Log on traps USE to be considered illegal however not sure if this has changed.

3. While leaving a corp during a war dec is acceptable however it use to be that if done repeatedly it was considered a exploit. Again not sure if these rules have changed.

4. Same as #3 where recycling a corp to avoid decs is a no no.

7. This was considered a exploit as pointed out in the Eve Uni thread. However it seems they have stopped doing this.

It seems like it depends on what GM you happen to talk to on whether or not its a exploit or not. When you bring it to the forums it usually gets deleted(since talking about exploits is a no no), and your told to file a petition. Which starts the cycle all over again. Thats why CCP should be more official and clear about whats legit and whats not especially when it comes to common issues, such as the ones in the OP. This is where communication has always been lacking with CCP, you hear multiple things from multiple people(sometimes GMs/Devs) and yet you never get confirmation.

In this summer GM Homonoia said that corp hopping to avoid wardec is NOT exploit even when done repeatedly.
Original thread about this.


I got answer to this one recently (after waiting 30 days) but unfortunately I can't tell you what the answer was.
(My thread about this, which doesn't say much.)

Here's a stab at some of that - mainly from old forums :

1) No for G15, mentioned specifically as "OK" although I don't see how myself;
2) No;
3) No;
4) Yes;
5) Yes but only if you've been aggressing/scamming;
6) Yes;
7) Yes;
8) heh :)
9) Yes;
10) heh :)
11) heh:)

Oh snap!

Keeping us in the dark is corporate policy. Blame the various department heads inability to play the "guess what I am thinking" game with prospective girlfriends and the resulting failed relationships ..

If they shall suffer, so must everyone else!

PS: The above is merely a theory, but find it to be eerily accurate in far too many cases similar to this.

There is same problem with "allowed applications"-list... Shreegs mentioned something about it during last fanfest, but that was pretty much left there.