Ships & Modules

Well... armour tanking allows for a much bigger tank than shielding, but a shield tank allows for awesome DPS. it depends on who u are flying with

First off, you're taking out navy and pirate battleships without a minimum of racial battleship 4? Are you insane? The DPS/tank increase is something you do want! Anything worth training is training to a minimum of level 4. Never forget that.

Second, the shield TnFI is meh. You don't get much for a mission boat, and in fact you are pretty much forced to fit armor for missioning. For incursions, you can get away with it.



114,410 EHP (your mileage may vary; my character has HG Slaves in(
846 DPS, assuming Ogres

Lots of buffer and resists, and solid DPS as well.

a standard tempest/maelstrom will do me dps and tank more than that thing

in a ship with 8low you can easily use 5-4low for armor tank and use the others for dps

Can you elaborate on this in regard to L4's and/or Incursions? My fitting skills are mediocre at best.

i'm on a phone, so i'll appologize for sloppy spelling and cutting it short rightaway.

The reason i oppose to the trend of putting a single damage increasing rig on a ship is that it will end up last in the chain of stacking penalties. Meaning you have 4 gyros, but then add a damage rig which will increase your damage out by a whooping percent. By comparisson a fifth gyrowould add just over twice that and the change is still small enough to make fitting a fifth frownes upon.

The exception to this is the t2 burst aerator since it ends up first in the chain and gives a full bonus, instead causing gyro #4 to become gyro #4.5.

What rig to use instead is of course situational, but it's very rarely a good idea to go with damage rigs on pve ships.

The fleet phoon does not lend itself as well to incursions, having only 5 turret slots.

The Fleet Phoon makes a rather good level 4 mission boat. I prefer it over any other Minmatar BS. Although I have not tried a Vargur or Machariel, partly because I hate the Tempest hull (I seem to hate all the tier 2 BS hulls for that matter) and I don't want to chase an expensive fotm that will probably be getting nerfed in the next balancing round (although that has taken quite a bit longer than I originally thought it would).

For level 4s whether you fit with ac, torps, and heavy drones, or arty, cruise, and sentrys you will probably want an ab or mwd in one mid to get in range of weapons or to kite out of rat damage. In either case a 3 slot shield tank is rather weak, especially since it rules out a web or painter. So I have armor tanked mine. you can devote devote at least 4 slots to tank in the lows, without really sacrificing damage.

This ship is also much better than the base phoon of course for missions due to the extra low slot, better fitting stats, more HP, and larger drone bay. However, like the base phoon it will only really shine once you have tech II specs to at least 4 in all three weapons systems. For that it involved training tech II large arty and ac, tech II cruises and torps, tech II heavy and sentry drone specs all to 4. Once there it spits out a good amount of damage.

You will want to weigh it toward missiles. The grid if you try to fit 5 arty and a LAR plus propulsion mod just isn't quite enough to fit 3 large missile launchers of either type. Whereas like most missile boats CPU with proper skills is rarely a problem in filling all the launcher slots. And 5 torps put out a better amount of dps over a farther range than 5 ac against level 4 mission BS rats.

both for incursions and level 4s I'd fly maelstrom and not typhoon even if it's fleet issue.

Also both ships will not perform as well as a nightmare and will require ammo - it's much easier to carry lazor lenses than ammo for machine guns.

If you wanna fly armor do abaddon and not typhoon(a sebo and 3 TC in the middle, 2 t2+1 t1 EDE rigs)

I still haven't seen a phoon fit which would outperform the other available BS's for pve.