EVE General Discussion

Maybe they just don't train BS to avoid having to take part in POS bashes?

Kick those willing to train for a BS because you told them and you'll end up with a corp not full of mindless, blobbing sheep(although I somewhat doubt that's the OPs intent).

wisely spoken. if this game was pos-bashing only, i probably would be willing to pay 15 bucks for not having to play it.


and then there is the problem, that battleships just lack the versatility that cruiser/battlecruiser-sized ships have. plus - while their use is very limited, compared to medium sized ships, they take a lot longer to train for.

train your advanced medium guns and your race's cruisers, both being x5 skills and you have a good basis for battlecruisers, heavy assault ships, some of the recons and hictors, nice faction cruisers like the cynabal, tech 3 cruisers and even badass in-your-face-command ships further along the line, with recon, hac and battlecruisers each being only a x6 skill. and even a well trained battlecruiser alone is more versatile than a battleship, let alone the lower price.

for battleship you'd have to skill large guns and your races battleships, both being x8 skills, and you get exactly that: battleships with large guns - not more, not less. and if you are not interested in cap ships, marauders or black ops, those skills are a dead end for you.
and i lets face it - both caps and t2 battleships aren't very attractive at the moment. with cap ships it is pretty much the same as with the battleships, if not even worse: very limited use, slow, longer time to skill. and the tech 2 battleships .... well, the one is for carebearing and the other for ninjajumping your fleet around. and while i admit, that the latter one is awesome, for most of the pilots just this single use of a ship is not worth the time it takes, to skill for it.

if flying around in huge bricks, that can't hit anything smaller than an average walmart with parking lot, and even that only when it's not moving is what you want to do - go for it! and if you enjoy shooting huge stationary targets, please feel free to do so. but understand, that most players may choose to dedicate their gametime to more fun and interesting activities.

Just to go OT for a moment……at 400m sig res, that's a stunningly good (and reasonably accurate) description of how battleship-sized guns perform. I'm going to steal that for future reference.

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You have to actually give them a good reason to train battleships, if you're only reason to train bships is to shoot at a pos then I'd never train battleships for you. (youre asking for bship skills to do the one of the most boring and inane parts of eve pvp)

Battleships certainly have a time and place but a lot of this depends on your fleet situation and fleet doctrine.

Are you mostly running small gangs? Then battleships are most definitely not for you, unless you're running with an experienced nanogang, in which case you don't want your new guys flying them anyways your seasoned vets, who will inevitably get bored of the their canes and drakes anyways for the chance to do more dmg. Virtually anything else in the small gang arena is asking for a competent fleet to wipe the board with you. (I know you're not because you want amarr)

Are you in a sov holding alliance coalition? Then yes you tell them the price of admission is being able to fit up whatever bship your bloc wants for required ops. They cant/wont fly or train for it? Then you don't want them anyways take their stuff in your space (the fine for wasting your time)and kick them.

You're a carebear corp that occasionally gets war decced? Those battleships will most likely just be kb porn. But hey its your efficiency, but you're better off with a bc gang.

If you're a dedicated pvp (merc/pirate/anti pirate) then you should really work on your recruiting skills to pick out people who fly ships that work with your fleet doctrine.

In all honesty, new people are the last people I'd want flying expensive ships (read ships above bcs) Its pretty standard that no matter how many skill points or supposed experience you have, you will fly frigates until you prove you're not an idiot and have the skills to fully fit t2 on a bc, then you prove you're even better before you fly anything else.

OP... tell your guys this...

"True... you may not use a battleship often, but when you need to use one you REALLY need to use one as few things will substitute a good battleship in a fleet."

To me this just shows me that - despite whatever people are saying - CCP did a rather good job in making several ship classes interesting and appealing and therefore avoiding everyone just rushing to battleships just to have the biggest ship around. If you want people to fly battleships, get them something interesting to do that can be done in a battleship more effectively (not talking about the POS thingy).

How about something like "Hey, you newcomers? Want to do something together earning lots of isk and having fun? Just train this list of skills, the corp will get you a ship to fly and we'll be heading out bashing some pirates."? Sure, nothing for complete strangers, but for corp mates? Sounds reasonable to me, especially if there's some support or tutorials included, running missions or later on incursions together (even if it isn't THAT effective to do a L4 mission with 2-4 people).

I wouldn't expect sitting there and convincing everyone to fly a battleship just arguing for 1 or 2 minutes or whatever.

Battleships are our fleet ship, you train to fly our fleet, or you lookelsewhere for a corp. This is made clear when you join and guess what? EVERY single corp member can fly or is trainign towards the two battleships we use.

Just make it clear its what you need in your corp, or they are superfluous to your corps needs.

When in gangs I constantly find my self flying a battleship unless its some specialized gang revolving around a specific tactic, like recon gang or nano gang etc. Amarr BS and pulse lasers are increadibly sweet atm.

Solo, a BS is pretty much out of the question unless its some pimp fit mach or something but then again thats a gank-magnet.

A battleship is a group weapon, once your members can see beyond their futile personal endeavours they will train for it. As I see it your members are too concerned about achieving their own personal dreams.