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Krixtal Icefluxor

INLAND EMPIRE Galactic

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#61 - 2012-03-29 12:32:25 UTC | Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor

Mara Rinn wrote:

And here I have been using the Navigation overview setting for the last few years: just stargates and stations.

Rather than sorting by type, sort by icon. Then the next destination in your autopilot route will show up on top because it is yellow.

Anything other than a distance sort is unhelpful.....and I'm not always looking for the Destination one ATM.

This just reeks of 'a change just to change something'.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck." - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor

INLAND EMPIRE Galactic

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#62 - 2012-03-29 13:52:14 UTC

Needs a different Icon for Stargates at least that looks radically different from Planets. Why a circle ? That microscopic arrow is not distinguishable enough. It all LOOKS THE SAME TO THE EYE.

I really wish these designers would play the game with their changes beforehand.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck." - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor

INLAND EMPIRE Galactic

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#63 - 2012-03-29 13:53:52 UTC

Solj RichPopolous wrote:

Swear people will cry about ANYTHING. Make a gate filter and new tab on your overview if its such a big deal and then shut up.

(in hindsight i probably realize 75% of eve idiots still don't know how to make a filter properly reason being alliance blobbers or empire dwellers)

I am tabbed-out. No more to make a 'new one'.

This is an uneccesary change.

You try filtering in the heat of battle.

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Princess Bride

SharkNado

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#64 - 2012-03-29 13:54:52 UTC

CCP Prism X wrote:

Riper GriM wrote:

WHY ?

Many people had expressed their desire to return back to the old, pre first attempt at localization, representation of stargate names which is what we are doing. I jumped at it because I dislike having an icon for a type on the overview and then the typeName in both the itemName and the typeName fields.

Are there any specific areas where you think you could confuse a stargate name with a solar system name without having any other visual context to differentiate between them? I'd be more than willing to look into it once everything is good and stable.

Awesome change. Long overdue and very welcome.

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Krixtal Icefluxor

INLAND EMPIRE Galactic

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#65 - 2012-03-29 13:57:38 UTC

CCP Prism X wrote:

That is actually quite simple to do and we could easily retain the system names in search results to facilitate station search by systemID.

Stations are distinguishable by a prominent, unique Square. What was the problem exactly ???

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck." - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882


Krixtal Icefluxor INLAND EMPIRE Galactic Likes received: 114,583	#66 - 2012-03-29 14:02:26 UTC \| Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor Princess Bride wrote: Awesome change. Long overdue and very welcome. Can you tell me how it is more helpful for you ? What is this brilliant awsomeness ? "He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck." - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

FloppieTheBanjoClown

Arcana Imperii Ltd.

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#67 - 2012-03-29 14:06:29 UTC | Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown

It seems someone at CCP failed to anticipate all the ways that people use their overviews.

New:

Jita

Old:

Stargate (Jita)

Better:

SG - Jita

edit: as I understand it stations will soon (if they aren't already...w-space means never going weeks without seeing stations) be called "4-4 Caldari Navy Assembly Plant" instead of "Jita IV Moon 4 Caldari Navy Assembly Plant." This is a good change. A bad change would be removing the planet/moon reference entirely. Which is basically what was done with stargates.

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Krixtal Icefluxor

INLAND EMPIRE Galactic

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#68 - 2012-03-29 14:18:09 UTC

FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

YES....anything but what it is today.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck." - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

State War Academy Caldari State 10
Kojach Baumherr State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 10	#69 - 2012-03-29 15:02:46 UTC Chribba wrote: Sort by type in scanner now because going byt he name will indeed not work at all. people didnt do that already? im learning more about how terrible miners get ganked every day

Doomheim 100
My Neutral Toon Doomheim Likes received: 100	#70 - 2012-03-29 15:05:15 UTC So when your FC says "Warp to xxxx gate" you now know what gate that is without having to have a huge overview, or hover your mouse over it to see what it is. Cheers CCP! ...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious.... Butt Hurt about Harrasment? Read first GM post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread

Markus Reese

Deep Core Mining Inc.

Caldari State

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#71 - 2012-03-29 15:08:07 UTC

CCP Prism X wrote:

Hi, I personally agree with the change, but I understand about the issue of icon visibility and differentiation. Myself, I like smaller text, so have 90% scaled UI and am on a high resolution. The real drawback comes into the overview icons where a quick escape or selection of the stargate is important. If we look at overview, planets, moons, suns and stargates are similar, a circle with only minor variations. The suns can be excluded, there is only one and they are shaded. The stargates do have the triangle symbol however. Maybe that is all that is needed, a bit more of a change in the stargate icon.

One other plausible idea is what if the addition of shaders to the overview? In the filters list make it so people can apply a color or something to the icon might allow visibility. Good for pvp (or bad if you fly a primary).

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Anton Abo

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#72 - 2012-03-29 15:28:17 UTC

Liz Arji wrote:

Anton Abo wrote:

I already posted that idea 1 or 2 pages before and made a thread for it in the features & ideas section:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87714

Please also express your support there! =)

I'm sorry I missed your suggestion... supported of course :)


Princess Bride SharkNado Likes received: 666	#73 - 2012-03-29 15:47:43 UTC Krixtal Icefluxor wrote: Princess Bride wrote: Awesome change. Long overdue and very welcome. Can you tell me how it is more helpful for you ? What is this brilliant awsomeness ? Thinner columns on my overview means more space for... space. I love common-sense fixes like this. http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/

Vaerah Vahrokha

Vahrokh Consulting

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#74 - 2012-03-29 16:00:34 UTC | Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha

I liked this change and would also like to shorten the station names as suggested earlier.

Needless to say, adding 3 checkboxes:

1) CTRL LOCK to lock overview. (Yes / No)

2) Postpone stargate qualifier (Yes / No)

3) Postpone station qualifier (Yes / No)

in the overview preferences would have made everyone happy and in very short time.

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Doomheim 2,092
Tanya Powers Doomheim Likes received: 2,092	#75 - 2012-03-29 16:06:09 UTC 1 Riper GriM wrote: World Shaping Stargates are now named solely for their destination. This means it will now display 'Destination' rather than 'Stargate(destination)'. WHY ? [fun] Because it makes sense, you already know it's a gate right? - [/fun]

Krixtal Icefluxor

INLAND EMPIRE Galactic

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#76 - 2012-03-29 16:10:21 UTC

Princess Bride wrote:

Thinner columns on my overview means more space for... space. I love common-sense fixes like this.

The horrendously long station names are MUCH more of an issue as far as wide columns. EIGHT freaking characters in S T A R G A T E is NOT an issue.

This is just a sneak change.......to someone's advantage. Not sure who.

About as knuckleheaded as the 'locked' Overview unlocking after 1.5 seconds.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck." - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Krixtal Icefluxor

INLAND EMPIRE Galactic

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#77 - 2012-03-29 16:15:05 UTC

Tanya Powers wrote:

Riper GriM wrote:

World Shaping
Stargates are now named solely for their destination. This means it will now display 'Destination' rather than 'Stargate(destination)'.

WHY ?

[fun]
Because it makes sense, you already know it's a gate right? - Lol

[/fun]

Nope. It's now labeled just like a planet. With nearly identical Icon.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck." - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Ajita al Tchar

Doomheim

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#78 - 2012-03-29 20:11:37 UTC

Having read through comments of people who dislike the change, I can now definitely see where this might be an issue although I'm personally fine with this change. Everyone is different and some cues work well for some people while being unnecessary for others.

CCP, the overview is probably the most vital tool the player has. It is something like our eyes, and a badly setup overview can literally be the difference between going "pop" and staying alive. Why not put a proportionate amount of work into improving it? Yes, you've been making changes, but these changes all have one big flaw: users still can't customize their overview as much as it would make sense to, and making a change mandatory will help some while hurting others.

Personally, I would like to see the following things:

1) Ability to perform secondary and tertiary sorts reliably. E.g. I could sort stuff by distance first, then by icon, then by name. I could also ONLY sort by distance if I wanted to, so three sorting criteria wouldn't be required. This should be customizable for each tab.
2) Select which icons represent what
3) Customize the way text is displayed in the overview. For example, I could set it so every stargate would appear in ( ), asteroids in * *, alliances in [[ ]] etc. The ability to color text might be nice too, why are we limited to adjusting the color of the background?
4) Have column widths be part of the overview properties in the XML. I really hate importing overview settings to different characters and then in addition to it also going through and adjusting each column just so.
5) For the love of god, fix the logic in the state selection! I suggest for ***** and giggles trying to make it so your overview displays ONLY outlaws and ALL outlaws on grid (that means no people that you have no standing toward; not the same thing as neutral standing btw).
6) Optional functions like overview freeze.

Have some set of default values that make sense so that those who don't care to tinker with the overview don't have to do it, but let people who want to make precise adjustments to the way they see stuff around them do so.

Has any of this already been mentioned in Features and Ideas at any point? I don't know if it has, and if it's worth a post there, but these things would trump any and all recent updates to the overview.

Welsige

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#79 - 2012-03-29 20:29:18 UTC

Anton Abo wrote:

and what about goind ahead and name things like this :

Station :
[ IV-3 Spacelane Patrol Logistics Support ]

or alteratively, since Roman numbers don't sort well :
[ 4-3 Spacelane Patrol Logistics Support ]

Stargate :
( Crielere )
or
< Crielere >

Asteroids :
* Veldspar *

...

You get the idea.
It allows to easily read what type the object is with only a character. There is plenty of characters available and if needed, you can set up "double char" marking. Like :
|> Crielere <|

I already use this kind of marking to name my bookmarks and it's pretty useful to tell instantly the difference between :
- the sniping BM off gate: >> Crielere @230
- the scanning BM off grid: -(( Crielere @1AU
- the tactical BM: |- Crielere @80
... not to mention temp safes, safes unaligned, deep safes, scanning safes.... :)

(@80 means the BM is 80km from the gate)

Gold. CCP. do it.

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Viziam Amarr Empire 11,532
James Amril-Kesh Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 11,532	#80 - 2012-03-29 20:30:23 UTC 1 Efraya wrote: What are these "Stargates" that you speak off? Kind of a ring thing, comes with a dialer, you hit the symbols, it spins around and lights come on, it kind of flushes sideways... Enjoying the rain today? ;)