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Cruiser and BC for grinding L2 and L3.

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Maethilar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2011-09-25 20:47:39 UTC
I'm just about starting running level 2 missions for some corporations (grind standing for a bunch of corps) and I don't know which ship use. I can fly Gallente, Amarr and Caldari cruisers. Right now I'm thinking about use some of the following cruiser: Vexor, Thorax, Arbitrator or Caracal. The problem is that after EFT warrioring I'm still not sure which of the four cruisers will be the best one to use. Thorax is nice because of the instant damage of the turrets, caracal looks nice because of the long range of the missiles but its behind in tanking capabilities also the travel time of missiles is something that sometimes makes me mad, vexor and arbi looks very similar and the problem here is the drone travel time and aggro management.


Also after grinding the level 2 missions I'll start grinding the level 3 missions. Which BC should be a nice ship to run those level 3 missions? I know that the Drake is loved by a great part of the players since it has a very good tank and nice damage output, but there are other options that are effective like the Drake? The amarrian BCs look a bit behind since they only do EM/Thermal damage and I will run missions against almost all NPC pirate factions. Myrmidon looks interesting but again the drone management/aggro comes to my mind, maybe a gunboat BC, the Brutix or the Ferox?

Thanks.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-09-25 20:57:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Grimpak
Maethilar wrote:
I'm just about starting running level 2 missions for some corporations (grind standing for a bunch of corps) and I don't know which ship use. I can fly Gallente, Amarr and Caldari cruisers. Right now I'm thinking about use some of the following cruiser: Vexor, Thorax, Arbitrator or Caracal. The problem is that after EFT warrioring I'm still not sure which of the four cruisers will be the best one to use. Thorax is nice because of the instant damage of the turrets, caracal looks nice because of the long range of the missiles but its behind in tanking capabilities also the travel time of missiles is something that sometimes makes me mad, vexor and arbi looks very similar and the problem here is the drone travel time and aggro management.


Also after grinding the level 2 missions I'll start grinding the level 3 missions. Which BC should be a nice ship to run those level 3 missions? I know that the Drake is loved by a great part of the players since it has a very good tank and nice damage output, but there are other options that are effective like the Drake? The amarrian BCs look a bit behind since they only do EM/Thermal damage and I will run missions against almost all NPC pirate factions. Myrmidon looks interesting but again the drone management/aggro comes to my mind, maybe a gunboat BC, the Brutix or the Ferox?

Thanks.



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cruisers, either vexor or caracal are good for lvl2's. lvl3s, myrm and drake.

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Fedimart
Doomheim
#3 - 2011-09-25 21:09:39 UTC
Caracal for level 2's and a Drake for 3's.
Lili Lu
#4 - 2011-09-25 23:01:55 UTC
Well it of course will depend on the mission rats you face. The best all arounders would be two of the drone boats imo. This is because you can shield tank or armor tank them and they can choose the best pure damage type to deal v the rats. If you know your missions and watch the respawns you can turn the drones loose on aggressive and probably not have time to target everything and shoot before the drones have already killed everything.

For level 2s I would probably say the arbitrator. Get 2 of them and rig one for armor tanking and the other for passive shield tanking. Then use the appropriate ship to address the rat damage. Angels, Guristas, Rogue Drones use the shield arby. Against Sansha and Blood Raider use the armor tanked arby. Mercs, Eom, and Serps use whichever you feel most comfortable with.

A similar tactic can be used for level 3s with two Myrmidons.

One drawback to this is that your training will really only leave you with the Domi or Fleet Domi for level 4s. They are not bad level 4 ships, but so many people will trumpet the virtues of a Vargur, Mach, Nightmare, CNR, Tengu all as "better" mission boats. But if you find the drone boats fun don't worry about it. The game is to have fun not to be a fake money time efficiency bean counter imo.

One caveat I always add though is whatever race of ships you choose, train a second race anyway. It is the best nerf, suckage, or changed mind insurance you can have.
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2011-09-25 23:04:14 UTC
Punisher for level 2s, Arbitrator for level 3s.
beor oranes
Tranquility Tavern
Pandemic Horde
#6 - 2011-09-25 23:27:05 UTC
Vexor or Caracal for Level 2's and Myrm or Drake for Level 3's. Just decide which route you want to take afterwards. The Domi is a nice afk mission runner and the Ishtar is also good. Tengu, Raven, CNR or Golem route after the Drake makes missioning easy so its up to you.

Personally I would decide on whether you want to shoot guns or missiles in the near future and go from there. Also the armour tanking races are more used for PvP so if you want to get into that then its a consideration for sure. Any of the above suggestions will work for PvE, some will be more efficient than others that's for sure but its not always about efficiency its about enjoying the game.
Izziee
University of Izziee
#7 - 2011-09-25 23:33:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Izziee
I cross trained all ships up to at least L3 battleships so I could use all factions before I decided who I want to settle with, with also gallente assault frigs (which are fun at least for L3)

That said, it wouldn't matter at all what you go for for L2 missions really, I just used whatever and it worked (L2's being taken within the first week of playing so not knowing much then and quite a while ago I can't really remember, think I just kept splashing out on different stuff until I found something I liked)

Ultimately you want to worry more about what you want for L4's, since when you're doing L3's then you'll just want to move up anyway.

A drake is a very solid ship, some love it, some hate it, some just want to bad mouth it as it's the FoTM type ship but all in all it does it's job and does it well...perhaps a little slow but with L3's, they're all done quickly anyway. The thing is, you can use the drake for L4's also. It tanks great and you have a choice of what damage type you want.

I started out with a domi for L3's (got ahead of myself but meh, got given to me and it worked) and ATM I fly a maelstrom. The damage is great with it and it can do L4's quick, my domi does them slow even though it has more SP assigned to it, however, with that said I feel extremely safe with the domi. If there's a harder mission or whatever, I'll often jump in the domi first. Hybrid weapons suck, but I've only got a couple weapons on it anyway, rest is for drone mods and being able to have lights, meds, heavies and sentries all in there with a mix of other drone goodies is nice. It's a safe bet and can lead you up towards a rattlesnake for pirate factions.

So it's really up to you, ignoring the L2's since it's been a while for myself, and I don't really remember them, I'd go for a drake for L3 or a vexor into Myrm into domi (for L2'-4) (Again, hybrids suck so if going Gallente, you want a drone boat). I've got all BC's and well, my choice as I said would be the drake, but when it comes to L4's I prefer the maelstrom and having the drake won't help you there..so really, I think you should decide what ship y ou want for L4's so you can train it while doing the L3's in the equivalent ship.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#8 - 2011-09-26 02:48:06 UTC
Maethilar wrote:
Thorax is nice because of the instant damage of the turrets, caracal looks nice because of the long range of the missiles but its behind in tanking capabilities also the travel time of missiles is something that sometimes makes me mad, vexor and arbi looks very similar and the problem here is the drone travel time and aggro management.


For my money, the Caracal is the best L2 cruiser. Assault launchers are tailor-made to kill frigates and do a reasonably decent job against cruisers -- perfect for L2s.

The Arbitrator and Vexor are the only other cruisers that can mount bonused weapons explicitly made for frigates: light drones. Of the two, I prefer the Arbitrator hands down.

Maethilar wrote:
Also after grinding the level 2 missions I'll start grinding the level 3 missions. Which BC should be a nice ship to run those level 3 missions? I know that the Drake is loved by a great part of the players since it has a very good tank and nice damage output, but there are other options that are effective like the Drake? The amarrian BCs look a bit behind since they only do EM/Thermal damage and I will run missions against almost all NPC pirate factions. Myrmidon looks interesting but again the drone management/aggro comes to my mind, maybe a gunboat BC, the Brutix or the Ferox?


Unfortunately the best gun-based BC for all-around mission use is the Hurricane, which you haven't skilled for. However, both the Drake and the Myrmidon are wonderful for L3s. If you choose to go the drone route, however, there is another option: go straight for the Dominix. Under almost any set of conditions it will outperform the Myrmidon in L3s and means you won't have to skill for a new boat for L4s, just refit the one you've come to know and love.
Tikera Tissant
#9 - 2011-09-26 06:36:19 UTC
Fedimart wrote:
Caracal for level 2's and a Drake for 3's.


I'm running the same on one of my alts.
The drake does wonders in L3s.

Regarding gallente vs caldari ships (never used amarr), they require different skills and use different play style.
I used to run L2s with a vexor, but didn't like it that much. The Caracal even in low missiles skills was easier to go through missions.
Running L3s with a drake is not very fast, but its easy. I'm running them with a less than 1M sp character.
Frank Pannon
Emerald Swine Escavations
#10 - 2011-09-26 07:25:19 UTC
For LvL 2s I really like the Omen Navy Issue, I did not see it mentioned yet. Nano, 2x heatsink, tracking computer fitted. Does not need to be fully cap stable.

It is agile, tank and gank (5 guns) are overkill and makes for good blitzing. Also with T1 crystals you do not need to worry about ammo. Has 5 light drones too and enough cargo space for the Hidden stash (150 cubic meter) mission.

I guess it can be used at LvL 3s too, did not try there yet.

http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Omen_Navy_Issue
Amonestos
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-09-29 17:37:00 UTC
Arbitrators can do level 2s and 3s with relative ease. If you want to upgrade to a BC, and keep it "in the family", I used to use Harbingers and they're great, but IMO overkill for 3s, the Prophecy outfitted similarly is about 15 mil+ cheaper and eats level 3s for breakfast, I never dropped below 60% shields even on the hardest missions in my Prophecy and it cost me 40 mil insured and rigged, whereas Harbies are 33 mil as a base ship.
Jill Antaris
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2011-09-29 18:05:37 UTC
Frank Pannon wrote:
I guess it can be used at LvL 3s too, did not try there yet.


It runs L3 quite fast without issues, however a Zealot or Legion is considerable better by the bigger range.
IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2011-09-29 19:36:44 UTC
I've had no trouble doign L2 missions with an armor tanked Maller. I moved up to using a Navy Omen becuase I could but you can get by on the cheep with a t1 module fitted Maller with a TB and a Salv. For the L3 the Harbinger is you friend again as an armor tank and with a TB and Salv or as many as 2 of each for collecting your wrecks quickly. Smile

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IGNATIUS HOOD
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2011-09-29 19:38:26 UTC
Frank Pannon wrote:
For LvL 2s I really like the Omen Navy Issue, I did not see it mentioned yet. Nano, 2x heatsink, tracking computer fitted. Does not need to be fully cap stable.

It is agile, tank and gank (5 guns) are overkill and makes for good blitzing. Also with T1 crystals you do not need to worry about ammo. Has 5 light drones too and enough cargo space for the Hidden stash (150 cubic meter) mission.

I guess it can be used at LvL 3s too, did not try there yet.

http://www.eve-wiki.net/index.php?title=Omen_Navy_Issue


I four gun my NOMEN so I can cram TB and Salv in and it gets the job done.
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Bormegil
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2011-09-29 22:12:25 UTC
Noob weighing in here, so take my words with a grain of salt...

But, I found it best to use the Harbinger on Level 2s for grinding standing status. 3s just took far longer, and didn't have a high enough standings reward to justify the increase in time. You can fit it with a MWD and stuff the lows for maximum gank, then blitz through missions. Sure, cruisers work fine. So do frigates, if you're so inclined. But going for overkill got my standing up far faster than I could manage in comparison to slogging through level 3s, which seemed to be a total time waster.

Really, there is no such thing as overkill when grinding status.

Put simply -- if you're just looking for standing and not for isk rewards, shoot for level 2s. Faster completion time, faster access to storyline missions, and overall better for getting access to level 4s. (And obviously, don't neglect the associated social skills. They'll save you many dull hours.)
Sassaniak
Deadspace Zombie Factory
#16 - 2011-09-30 02:14:43 UTC
the way you stated grinding missions for standings makes me unsure if you are a noob or not, there is no shame in this, just my suggestions change with your skill levels.

If you are low skilled to begin with, use the vexor, for l2's small drones, and a heavy armor tank, will get you through pretty easily, small rails or dual 150's will let you catch pretty much everything

higher skilled, is say thorax with 200's still use light drones,

for l3 a drake.

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Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2011-09-30 02:30:47 UTC
I've been grinding standings with various corps lately with an ishkur. May not be the fastest, but it's been Hellas fun.
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#18 - 2011-09-30 07:52:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Jennifer Starling
Drakes will do fine in L2s, L3s and some L4s.

They're a bit slow compared to cruisers but HMLs have nice range.
And with low skills you can already get good results. You can easily do L3s in a cruiser (or even Assault Frigate) too but you need far better skills for that.
Maethilar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-09-30 16:38:37 UTC
I was a bit away and could'nt answer befora, sorry.
I'm flying a Caracal, very good ship for L2, its very affective. Will probably be flying a Drake in L3.
Someone said that for the purpose of grinding standing it would be more effective to run L2 than L3 can anyone confirm this?
AmberIynn
Perkone
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-09-30 16:57:34 UTC
Maethilar wrote:
I was a bit away and could'nt answer befora, sorry.
I'm flying a Caracal, very good ship for L2, its very affective. Will probably be flying a Drake in L3.
Someone said that for the purpose of grinding standing it would be more effective to run L2 than L3 can anyone confirm this?


L3s are best for grinding standing, imo. Most of them can be done very quickly and give a much better reward than L2s. L4s tend to take longer and are much more difficult to blitz.
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