EVE General Discussion

CCP has always had a history of poor communication with their customers. Mind you, I'm not talking about developers talking on the forums. The devs post here all of the time. But the fact of the matter is that there is little to no official communication from CCP to the players.

This is highlighted by CCP's chosen method of informing players what is and isn't deemed "an exploit": by having each and every single individual player file a petition about it. To make matters worse, players are not even allowed to share this information with other players.

Seriously, is there even a less efficient way to do this!?!?

And to make matters worse, when game policy changes, players have no means to learn about these changes.

Yes, we have the CSM to communicate with CCP, but that only happens a few times a year, and their meetings are bound by NDAs.

What we need is a central location, such as on a locked evelopedia page, where CCP can definitively declare in a public avenue what IS and what ISN'T allowed. This way when policy changes, players can at least see when changes are made. And even better, if this happens, we can free up precious GM resources that would otherwise be wasted on redundant questions.

Here's a starter list for CCP to make definitive public statements on:
1) Keyboard macros a'la the G15 Logitech keyboard
2) Loggoffski/loggonski
3) Corp hopping to evade war decs
4) Corp recycling to evade war decs
5) Alt recycling
6) Alliance hopping to evade war decs.
7) Using alt corps to artificially inflate the cost of war decs
8) "Hacking" local chat to make you not appear on other people's local channel
9) can baiting in newbie systems
10) Modifying non-executable EVE data to make decorative changes to EVE, such as getting the TV to play customized videos.
11) Market cache scraping to automatically collect,collate and upload market data.

And I'm sure there are dozens of other topics that CCP should make public statements about.

EDIT:
A GM was kind enough to answer all of the above questions explicilty (here). However, unless CCP/the GMs consolidate this information in a central location themselves, the only way for us to preserve this information is to save this link for future reference. And we STILL will have no way to know if/when any of these policies change, so the main point of this OP remains.

EDIT 2:
GM Karidor created this page, which I hope will be continually updated as new policy changes are put into effect.

Liked for support.

Some of the things the OP is whining about are already clearly defined as exploits or bannable offences.
Are you seriously confused over hacking local channel and can baiting in rookie systems?
*Please* tell me that you've listed those for the sake of other, clueless players, rather than yourself.

1) I would guess its allowed, as it doesn't give someone else too much of an advantage
2) There is nothing in the EULA says you cant, its also a legitimate strategy, and also try prove/disprove some one logg(off/on)ski'd
3) Duh thats allowed
4) look above
5)And again, look at #3
6) Back to #3
7) Can't really prove that some one is doing that without API keys, derp.
8) Duh, that'll get you banned, dumb ass
9) Reference #8
10) Would be a local side mod, so it wouldn't be detectable by server (not sure on that)
11) Not too sure, dont care either way.

Everything you say is probably either based on hearsay or comes from your version of "common sense". I say this because most everything on that list which you claim isn't an exploit, has at one time or another been considered to be an exploit by CCP and the players.

The issue at hand here is official clarification/communication.

Using a Orca/carrier to swap ships while aggressed. Since the Orca does not get aggression.

For the sake of communication... Know that we have noticed this thread. However, please forgive me that I am not answering the points that have been brought up right away, even though most of them are pretty obvious and clear cut (in my opinion at least). As the answers to those points will most certainly be quoted back to us in petitions for the time to come, I'm sure you understand that I don't just want to blurt out something real quick, as much as I'd like to

And don't forget, if you're in doubt about something you intend to do might be skirting the rules on the wrong side of the rules, file a petition.

Edit: the answers are now available further down the thread.

Thank you very much for the response, GM Karidor.

I would just like to stress that the point of this thread isn't to discuss what is allowed and what isn't, it's to advocate for a centralized repository of "the rules" so that players don't need to waste precious GM resources asking if they are allowed to drop decloaking cans or not (answer: it is allowed so long as it is not excessive, as determined on a per-case basis by the GM at hand).

And ideally, this centralized repository (whether it is an evelopedia page or not) would be regularly updated as players continue to ask questions via petitions. And best of all, we players will finally have something we can point to and link to when telling new players what is allowed and what isn't instead of relying upon hearsay to spread this information.

Answer coming sooner than you think.
Watch this space®

I've always worked on the notion that if I think its dubious or I am unsure then its probably illegal and I shouldn't do it.

Now being able to watch your own legally bought movies (not downloaded illegally) on your CQ TV, would be sick. Or even if they allowed you to connect to Eve-files and only watch things from there. Though without being able to invite your mates over and giving them a virtual beer out of the virtual fridge it would be a bit lonely.