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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#161 - 2012-03-29 17:02:27 UTC
Ana Vyr wrote:
What population can Jita sustain before the gates get locked?


1700 is the most I have seen. This is pre TiDi and they might have a limiter to prevent that from engaging since in my jita journeys, havent seen TiDi there. With the advanced notice, and a reinforced (is that possible?) Jita node, I am sure it could get much higher. It would be really great if new record populations were broken in this event. Headlines



"Pirates invade market capital!"

Turn that positive light to it and will perk up many non eve player ears. Also could get more people interested in large combat.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Ninyania alCladdyth
McLuvin AstroDynamics
#162 - 2012-03-29 17:21:07 UTC
What a wonderful day for a (totally random... wink wink) high-sec incursion to happen... right in the middle of Jita.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#163 - 2012-03-29 17:43:34 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
Ana Vyr wrote:
What population can Jita sustain before the gates get locked?


1700 is the most I have seen. .


I recall a Dev on the Fanfest Stream saying the cap was 2200.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#164 - 2012-03-29 18:01:50 UTC
Largo Usagi wrote:
If CCP takes action against the jita burn, I will be done with eve, it would be irrefutable proof that the sandbox is completely dead. No where in space should be 100% safe and the mechanics the way they are keep a good balance, ******* with that balance is just wrong and thats what would have to be done to stop this from happening.

why dotn you get da f out now, and give me your stuffzzffzzffzzz, ffzzzz,fffffazzzz.
adam smash
Department of Gub'nent Welfare
Harkonnen Federation
#165 - 2012-03-29 18:05:44 UTC
Aiden Andraste wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
I think CCP will do whatever is needed to protect the game.
While I am going to find halarity at every turn of this soap opera, I can't help but wonder why you kids think this will have a positive effect?

CCP overreacted in their decision to completely nullify 10000 player opinions. Whether they want to step up that kneejerk response a second time remains to be seen. This has nothing to do with positive or negative. It has everything to do with whether or not the CSM is relevant and whether CCP is shifting toward PR/marketing friendly carebear land or not.



CCP gave you those votes and they can take them away
HTFU

As I been saying CCP should REMOVE the CSM then you all can cry about not even getting a vote.
Apollo-Moor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#166 - 2012-03-29 18:13:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Apollo-Moor
Markus Reese wrote:
Yo everybody, listened to Mittani's speech "State of the Goonian"

Start of it is a bit, well cheezy. Mainly the part about being thrown under a bus. I am surprized he didn't expect it, but not what this is about.

There is a very good point about whether ccp will allow, and promote burn jita, or push it down. Let us discuss it civily, since there isn't one like that.

Alright, a general terrorist war on the main hub, general and we know it is coming. Personally, this would be a great thing for eve. I like the random, unexpected and stuff like this the most (even though I wouldn't particapate myself.

WIth one month of warning, and the market people used to moving stuff, it won't crash down eve (except for the botters or what not) I think it will be awesome. It will be authentic grief.

Just a call out to the goons however, Burn Jita. Will be awesome for Eve. Start following players or whatever to get repeated ganks, not so awesome for Eve.


His speech was lame.. I don't see where he is coming from.. He shouldn't be mad he ****** up and CCP decided not to defend his rather corny and childish actions..

For 30 years old he's acting like a real kid.. Not even admitting in full truth to what he did was wrong.. He' tries to act like that **** was random and that he was too drunk to know what he was doing..

******* bull **** Alexander.. You made a ******* presentation ahead of time.. You decided to drink.. So now you were drunk WHEN YOU PUT THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER AND WHEN YOU GAVE THE SPEECH NOW?

***** plz.. He got caught and got his punishment.. Deal with it! See you in 30-30... Hahhaa...

Guenie tears are like red kool-aid..
Lenrir Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#167 - 2012-03-29 18:16:05 UTC
Apollo-Moor wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
Yo everybody, listened to Mittani's speech "State of the Goonian"

Start of it is a bit, well cheezy. Mainly the part about being thrown under a bus. I am surprized he didn't expect it, but not what this is about.

There is a very good point about whether ccp will allow, and promote burn jita, or push it down. Let us discuss it civily, since there isn't one like that.

Alright, a general terrorist war on the main hub, general and we know it is coming. Personally, this would be a great thing for eve. I like the random, unexpected and stuff like this the most (even though I wouldn't particapate myself.

WIth one month of warning, and the market people used to moving stuff, it won't crash down eve (except for the botters or what not) I think it will be awesome. It will be authentic grief.

Just a call out to the goons however, Burn Jita. Will be awesome for Eve. Start following players or whatever to get repeated ganks, not so awesome for Eve.


His speech was lame.. I don't see where he is coming from.. He shouldn't be mad he ****** up and CCP decided not to defend his rather corny and childish actions..

For 30 years old he's acting like a real kid.. Not even admitting in full truth to what he did was wrong.. He' tries to act like that **** was random and that he was too drunk to know what he was doing..

******* bull **** Alexander.. You made a ******* presentation ahead of time.. You decided to drink.. So now you were drunk WHEN YOU PUT THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER AND WHEN YOU GAVE THE SPEECH NOW?

***** plz.. He got caught and got his punishment.. Deal with it! See you in 30-30... Hahhaa...

Guenie tears are like red kool-aid..


Poor spelling, need to swear to get point across and terrible grammar.

Yep, your view MUST be seriously considered...
Andrea Griffin
#168 - 2012-03-29 18:29:12 UTC
Lenrir Andven wrote:
Apollo-Moor wrote:
(terrible writing)
Poor spelling, need to swear to get point across and terrible grammar.

Yep, your view MUST be seriously considered...
Holy crap. I'm agreeing with a Goon. What?

Time to go check the temperature in hell...

CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#169 - 2012-03-29 18:30:16 UTC
Lenrir Andven wrote:
Apollo-Moor wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
Yo everybody, listened to Mittani's speech "State of the Goonian"

Start of it is a bit, well cheezy. Mainly the part about being thrown under a bus. I am surprized he didn't expect it, but not what this is about.

There is a very good point about whether ccp will allow, and promote burn jita, or push it down. Let us discuss it civily, since there isn't one like that.

Alright, a general terrorist war on the main hub, general and we know it is coming. Personally, this would be a great thing for eve. I like the random, unexpected and stuff like this the most (even though I wouldn't particapate myself.

WIth one month of warning, and the market people used to moving stuff, it won't crash down eve (except for the botters or what not) I think it will be awesome. It will be authentic grief.

Just a call out to the goons however, Burn Jita. Will be awesome for Eve. Start following players or whatever to get repeated ganks, not so awesome for Eve.


His speech was lame.. I don't see where he is coming from.. He shouldn't be mad he ****** up and CCP decided not to defend his rather corny and childish actions..

For 30 years old he's acting like a real kid.. Not even admitting in full truth to what he did was wrong.. He' tries to act like that **** was random and that he was too drunk to know what he was doing..

******* bull **** Alexander.. You made a ******* presentation ahead of time.. You decided to drink.. So now you were drunk WHEN YOU PUT THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER AND WHEN YOU GAVE THE SPEECH NOW?

***** plz.. He got caught and got his punishment.. Deal with it! See you in 30-30... Hahhaa...

Guenie tears are like red kool-aid..


Poor spelling, need to swear to get point across and terrible grammar.

Yep, your view MUST be seriously considered...



The truth Hurts QQQQ. CryCryCryCry Gimme MOARRRRR.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Apollo-Moor
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#170 - 2012-03-29 18:32:26 UTC
Lenrir Andven wrote:
Apollo-Moor wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
Yo everybody, listened to Mittani's speech "State of the Goonian"

Start of it is a bit, well cheezy. Mainly the part about being thrown under a bus. I am surprized he didn't expect it, but not what this is about.

There is a very good point about whether ccp will allow, and promote burn jita, or push it down. Let us discuss it civily, since there isn't one like that.

Alright, a general terrorist war on the main hub, general and we know it is coming. Personally, this would be a great thing for eve. I like the random, unexpected and stuff like this the most (even though I wouldn't particapate myself.

WIth one month of warning, and the market people used to moving stuff, it won't crash down eve (except for the botters or what not) I think it will be awesome. It will be authentic grief.

Just a call out to the goons however, Burn Jita. Will be awesome for Eve. Start following players or whatever to get repeated ganks, not so awesome for Eve.


His speech was lame.. I don't see where he is coming from.. He shouldn't be mad he ****** up and CCP decided not to defend his rather corny and childish actions..

For 30 years old he's acting like a real kid.. Not even admitting in full truth to what he did was wrong.. He' tries to act like that **** was random and that he was too drunk to know what he was doing..

******* bull **** Alexander.. You made a ******* presentation ahead of time.. You decided to drink.. So now you were drunk WHEN YOU PUT THE PRESENTATION TOGETHER AND WHEN YOU GAVE THE SPEECH NOW?

***** plz.. He got caught and got his punishment.. Deal with it! See you in 30-30... Hahhaa...

Guenie tears are like red kool-aid..


Poor spelling, need to swear to get point across and terrible grammar.

Yep, your view MUST be seriously considered...


Don't be mad guenie.. LoL..

My grammer is well enough for you guys to understand... I mean I thought you guys like all that umadnbro l337 speech ****..

Your in game emotions have been shattered..
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#171 - 2012-03-29 18:42:59 UTC
Apollo-Moor wrote:
Lenrir Andven wrote:
Apollo-Moor wrote:
Markus Reese wrote:
I said stuff asking opinions on the Jita Burn.


Off topic..


Mmm... Troll Food...


Troll still hungry..


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Hey, Mittani topics these ways.
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This thread is about whether you agree/disagree and any affects the planned siege of Jita might have. Positive/Negative and why you feel if applicable. So comment on that find another thread.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
OfBalance
Caldari State
#172 - 2012-03-29 18:51:19 UTC
Assuming Mittens doesn't ride off into the sunset during the next thirty days, Jita will burn. But CCP will not intervene, nor will it even have to do so in the long run in GSF kept up their effort to disrupt trade there.

The traders, manufacturers, and all the rest of the EVE supply chain runners will deviate to safer ports of call if it appears to be more than a temporary flare of activity. Tertiary hubs will spring up, other main-line hubs will see increased business. Good and services will continue to be exchanged through the medium of isk.

That isn't to say there will be no impact. Prices on many goods are already going haywire from speculation and confirmed patch info. Prices will fluctuate much more between dispersed trade hubs.

Personally, I think it could be one of the best events to hit EVE since the original hulkageddon. I'm looking forward to it.
Nu Tra
All Seeing Eye
#173 - 2012-03-29 18:58:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Nu Tra
RougeOperator wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
IsTheOpOver wrote:
What I got from Alex's audio response was that he was perfectly fine with not being on CSM7, the 30 day ban, and the original blog post telling people what was done.

What mad him "angry" was CCP calling him a bad person in the 2nd blog. From the blog:

"Such behavior crosses the line of acceptable player conduct and breaks the Terms of Service. CCP finds this behavior morally reprehensible."

It's one thing when pubbies call him and goonswarm scumbags, it's quite another when CCP does it apparently.

Hence, Jita must burn.


So...Mittens........ Mad?



He mad.

I think whats more telling here is that this makes his apology pretty much fake.

"Sure im sincere that what i did was wrong and bad, but how dear people actually call me out on my behavior. How dear a public business take a stance against cyber bullying that might lead to suicide, ill make them pay for that." - mittens the space pope wizard

Thats not sane.



You're not making any sense. In fact you are beginning to come across as rather desperate.

The more you write the further away from your original premise you seem to be. Is your judgement clouded by some other factor that you are not openly declaring?

I have noticed that you have intimated in various other posts and threads that you wished CCP to take formal action against this player which to all intents and purposes they have. CCP is GOD of EVE and as such they decide what does or does not happen in circumstances/infractions such as the player The Mittani. At this point there is nothing else to be said on the matter. Whether the player in question is sincere or not is an irrelevance judgement has been meted out repentance, or other forms of public penance was not a condition of the punishment.

From my understanding the Goons had this action planned in relation to the voting figures therefore it was going to happen regardless of the further incident or not. It is precisely this understanding that leaves your comments on the subject incredulous in any premise.
Mathias Hex
#174 - 2012-03-29 19:39:16 UTC
I think GSF should do this without the mittens. He IS the one that didnt want your 10000 votes to count, hell I bet he planned it all just to spite you.

Not to mention it would be nice to have proof the GSF isnt just a bunch of bots under the control of one guy.

I recall one night in a nightclub called the matrix, there I was... Mother of god there I am! Holy f**k.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#175 - 2012-03-29 19:40:38 UTC
Burn it down!

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Valkyria Caeli
Doomheim
#176 - 2012-03-29 19:46:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkyria Caeli
I don't think CCP should intervene from outside the game in any way. No temp bans for griefing or anything like that.

But, they certainly should intervene from within the game. I just don't think it is in any way believable that the Caldari State would site idly by as their major commerce center was burnt to the ground and completely interdicted for several days. That would be totally unrealistic.

First, the Caldari State would declare war against every alliance that was involved in the attack and quite possibly also on every verifiable ally that these alliances have.

Second, all assets in caldari space, either in hangers or on markets would at least be frozen if not seized.

The full force of the Caldari Navy would be turned on these guys as well as orders given to the militia to try to retake Jita.

Finally, all these alliances would take standing hits such that all members would be kill on sight. And further that would probably be the formal decree of the state declaring all these alliances outlaw and that anybody may freely fire on any of their combat or industrial vessels while they are in Caldari space.

Finally, the other empire factions would have some kind of a response. The Amarr might assist the Caldari. The Gallente not so much, but they would probably also remember the recent "Gallente Ice Interdiction" I doubt the Gallente and Minmatar would formally side with the Goons. More likely they would stay neutral during the conflict and possibly not allow Goons and their friends to pass though their space.


So yeah, I think CCP should make an event out of it. But I don't think the Goons should assume that Empire factions would have no reaction and not care about what was happening. They shouldn't be able to hide behind what are the current mechanics of the game. They should expect a realistic response from all factions in the game, not just player factions.
Old Chen
Doomheim
#177 - 2012-03-29 19:51:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Old Chen
Ninyania alCladdyth wrote:
What a wonderful day for a (totally random... wink wink) high-sec incursion to happen... right in the middle of Jita.



From the something Awful forums.
March 6th

"10,000+: Tornado Weekend in Jita. Entire alliance visits Jita, grabs Tornadoes, alphas freighters on the 4-4 undock, shutting down EVE and unleashing a maelstrom of sorrow not seen since the Ice Interdiction."

The Jita burn is not "payback" or what have you. It's something that was going to happen with or without the ban.
Patrick Estemaire
Cosmic Puppet Theatre
#178 - 2012-03-29 19:52:37 UTC
Looking forward to the attack on Jita. That's the sort of event that brought me to EVE in the first place; something that can't be done in other MMOs.

Cheers to Mittani, the Goons, Test, and their pals for making a splash.
Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#179 - 2012-03-29 19:54:14 UTC
I disagree with the theory that Caldari State would get involved. This will be capsuleers shooting capsuleers, and the State is not idiotic enough to go to war with a capsuleer alliance when they can very easily wait them out and let CONCORD limit the problems, and they have a war with another nation state in their hands.
Valkyria Caeli
Doomheim
#180 - 2012-03-29 19:58:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Valkyria Caeli
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
I disagree with the theory that Caldari State would get involved. This will be capsuleers shooting capsuleers, and the State is not idiotic enough to go to war with a capsuleer alliance when they can very easily wait them out and let CONCORD limit the problems, and they have a war with another nation state in their hands.


You are really saying that a nation would not react if a power from outside its boarders came in and interdicted its largest financial center? at best I could see them not pushing the conflict back into Goon territory but simply watching as their largest trade hub was attacked? Sorry but that is idiotic.