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No more drinking during Fanfest. I am sure they will still do Pub Crawls and the like but I bet they will no longer allow alchohol during anything that is televised or public at the Fanfests It was still a great Fanfest CCP! As always you guys do a fantastic job Mittani screwed up. He is paying the price. His whine about being "thrown under the bus" by CCP is ubsurd. Sure, he apologized of his own accord and stepped down from the CSM on his own but CCP isn't throwing anybody under the bus. Throwing someone under a bus is making them take the blame for something they did not do. CCP isn't doing this. Mittani clearly made a mistake. One he apologized for but also one that not only raised a lot of attention but caused a lot of problems and will have many reprecautions. **** happens. He is paying for what he did. Time to move on.

Looking forward to many more years of EvE!

Alex signed a document when he joined the CSM that held him to a higher standard than the rest of us are held to, with a stiff penalty in place for failing to uphold that standard. He failed to uphold it. CCP applied the penalty that he agreed to when he joined the CSM,. They added a mild penalty for a TOS violation at an official CCP event with media coverage, which is entirely at CCP discretion.

The people who voted for him, and who are justifiably angry at not having the candidate they voted for as a representative, should take it up with him. As he has acknowledged, his behavior justified stepping down from his position.

I'm glad to see CCP being a neutral arbiter, rather than carving an exception out for one guy because he's a special snowflake--or worse, letting him off the hook because he's on the CSM. With power comes responsibility.

I have every confidence that the remaining members of the CSM will serve as an organized and effective advisory board.

And so continues the softening of EvE. Terrible choice imo.

This sums up my feelings on the issue.

Take some responsiblity CCP.

Sweet Goon tears will not distract me...Sweet Goon tears will not distract me...

OK. There's this thing called cyberbullying. Some of you might have heard of it. People have killed themselves from it. It is SRSBSNS. Some people hang on the fact that an in-game ID was used, and that this renders the act harmless. I leave it to the reader's judgement if that really makes a difference.

Some posters talk about the effect this will have on Eve. Imagine the effect a suicide would have. Dungeons & Dragons still suffers from the stigma created by a player suicide decades ago. There is a segment of the general population that loves it when they can stick their noses into things...things like this. There's a presidential electon coming up here in the states and I'm almost 100% sure that a goon-inspired player suicide would become a talking point for all the candidates. I can hear the phrase, "Something must be done..." followed by all sorts of awful ideas on how to stop it from happening again.

"The Panelist" says in his apology that "The Mittani" is just a character that he role-plays. I really question that. I believe that A.G. really is a petty bully who enjoys causing discomfort to those who he has targeted. In vino veritas, right?

Another thought is that "The Panelist" should keep in mind is that he's pretty easy to find. He goes to Fanfest every year. One of his victims might just introduce his neck to the jagged end of a broken bottle. If there is anything that would cause more of a ruckus than a player suicide, a game-motivated murder would probably be it.

Cause frat parties are awesome! I love non-consensual sex, stupidity, and superficiality!

Because you haven't "grown up" and gotten over an adolescent fascination with alcohol and cursing?


Yes, actually, they can. It doesn't have to be 'their job', it's their event. And their product. They can do whatever the want with it, and you'll have to HTFU or GTFO.


These are not the only two options.


Heh, I think you missed a generation; many of these people probably *are* parents!

Perhaps a better translation would've been, "Now that we're teetering on the edge of raking in piles of Sony money, we're going to suddenly take a principled stand on actions that could make for bad press. You play our game for the hands-off, rough-edged environment that we intentionally fostered. Now that our subscriber numbers have earned the attention of well-financed corporate interests, we've decided to shrug off our historically unique stance on player interaction in favor of a bland, economically-safe future."

I would like to formally announce that for next year Goonswarm Federation are also reviewing our internal processes to prevent a repeat of this unfortunate occurrence.

(we're choosing somebody who can hold their drink to do the Alliance Presentation)

This is the first time that I see the quote. It actually is a boneheaded thing to say

There are a few things at play here that will have the sociologists rejoice with the opportunity for promoting their dissertations and playing EVE while doing so

- freedom of speech. I'm all for it. It -never- means that people are supposed to agree with the speech. So, dear Mittens absolutely has the right to say it, IMHO, I cannot find it within me to agree with it

- res publica: with a democratically elected body, does it not follow that the elected representative speaks for their constituents and cannot be punished for that speech? I do not want my elected officials to feel restricted in their speech, they have to be able to say what they want without fear of repercussions. Has anyone considered that angle

- the sandbox and the mentally infirm: I have seen depression first-hand and in its most severe form it is debilitating, corrosive, dark as the night and profoundly ugly. A person like that deserves love, compassion and awesome professional help. At the same time they should not try and involve themselves in the madhouse that is something like EVE Online. I am not blaming the victim but the person might consider not exposing themselves to an environment where they cannot handle the harsh realities that are part and parcel of that environment. We do not want children in EVE, they do not have the maturity to deal with self-expression that is often blunt and crass. By the same token I don't believe EVE is the right place for people who struggle with mental issues. That's not me, the sturdy-space-pilot speaking, this is about protecting those who cannot protect themselves

- we do not know who suffers from mental issues if they themselves don't let on that they do. How would you tell if the other person never said anything? Why make yourself vulnerable in a game where vulnerability is exploited? Have we verified the status of this player? Are we sure that this is in fact not someone meta-gaming (I was in a round table where one of the women there mentioned that people were more forgiving towards her when she mentions she's a woman, it is a time-honored way of exploiting weakness and they should definitely do it if it works for them)? If we established pattern beforehand, why did CCP not reach out to the player and express their appreciation for the person trying out the environment, and then tell him this is not really the place for him and give him his money back? Next to the EULA applying to us players, is there also not a duty of care towards the infirm by CCP

I'm not a fan of 'controlled communication', although I'm not ignoring what CCP stands for. If the idea is to mature then one side of the equation has to be mental resilience on the side of the player. I do not want to end up in an environment that is politically correct. Mainly because political correctness is tihsllub. I live in a country with 7 governments, where the politicians have jurisdiction but no accountability. Where if policies are ruinous to the tune of tens of billions of Euros where this generation and the next will be paying for, the response is the big whatever and a shrug, but don't try to take a loaf of bread out of a trash container, that was still perfectly edible when it was thrown away by the mega store, because then you're a thief. And don't have a naked photoshoot in a courthouse, because that's an outrage, but a murder investigation on 28 murders that has not lead to a single conviction in 3 decades, that's the way the cookie crumbles. I don't do political correctness

So, CCP, do me a favor and don't become the thought police, the spirit of Iceland is strong, resilient, beautiful and perfectly able to handle itself just fine without a wagging finger

And Mittani, please don't be a horse's ass and target those people who are never going to be a threat to you anyway. You and your armada can just sail by people like that and let them do what they're doing without having to nail them to a plank. You don't need to blow up every boat you see to drive the point home that you're the king of space. There is beauty in just leaving some people alone.

I just finished watching the infamous video at youtube of the Alliance Panel. Everyone who comments here should at least ‘get the facts.” I was astounded by the pervasive use of so called ‘adult’ language and the obvious excessive use of alcohol. The Mittani is just a kid for crying out loud who barely looks old enough to drink. It is no secret that I despise the character The Mittani. The player however earns some begrudging respect for accepting responsibility for his conduct. MOST IMPORTANT is the culture CCP fosters that allows the language and conduct. You can be funny without cursing…it takes more effort. You can get laughs without being vulgar. Some would say the visual presentations bordered on sexual harassment as well. A penis shaped picture of a ship I saw in another presentation spewing something is vulgar, offensive and inappropriate. I say grow up CCP, and ponder how this game I love is going to grow up besides ships, mods, Dust514, balancing and other content too.

Way too funny, I get censored in the forums for speakimng of a body part yet at Fanfest I can say anything I want!