EVE General Discussion

Even considering all that has happened, I don't think Mittani would be very happy if that came to pass.

Ahhh, Jewel Staite as Kaylee 'Nethers'.

Im going to add that the EULA/TOS do cover this. It was a CCP sponsored event where they were representing their alliances etc. There are many ways the EULA/TOS apply.

There are a large number of ways in which someone could argue that the TOS/EULA do not apply. In fact, a strict reading of them will imply that they do not in fact apply. However, as I said in the blog post: CCP disagrees. And even if they didn't disagree, it is within their power at their sole discretion to ban any of us. And that's really all that matters.

I still contend you are one of the worst of the worst of the **** posters and what you are doing borders on real life harassment and defamation.

-Liang

But when the EULA/TOS do allow the Griefing of a Player "Character" ingame, what truly was the difference between doing what was announced at the Alliance Panel Ingame to thousands of Alliance members and other allies, or doing it on camera during an alliance panel to the thousand or so viewers. People react like Alex told everyone his real name, but it was just his sob story + ingame character name. Unless you are an EVE player, nothing Ingame was breached, the the method of delivery makes it appear otherwise.

Though it may sound so bad and horrible to those on the outside (or those on the inside that have yet to learn how this is found enjoyable to others) this is what makes (made?) EVE so unique and different from the mass of other MMO's, If this part of the game dies, then it just turns EVE into another one of the WoW clones that punishes playstyles that think outside of the box.

So Crucible just came out of the good Eye Opening protest in Jita alone huh?

Please do not try to discuss things you know nothing about.

Actually I did not ask if you would vote "again". While I know many would, I am curious who wouldn't and who would now after the recent things going down.

The Mittani is human, and showing that may have turned a few interested players in his favor.

Now I did ask if you would vote for him OUTSIDE of whomever you did happen to vote for. More along the lines if he could be re-elected right now, would you push him back in or not?

To answer OP's question (your poll site is ****), yes, if I hadn't voted for Hans this time around I would have voted for The Mittani and I would have no real problems voting for him in a future CSM election. There is no question he was an effective player representative who wanted what was best for the game as a whole.

As for the situation itself, it's pretty stupid and disgusting all around.

Some guy used suicide as a bargaining chip (and in the end got exactly what he wanted).
Some guy advised others to make that guy commit actual suicide from harassment (and rightly got banned).
A bunch of people used the "victim" for political gain (and are now playing the smug card).
10058 CSM voters were disenfranchised (and are rightly pissed).

I think CCP did the correct thing in the end. I don't know about all those votes, but CCP is well within their rights to manage that in any manner they see fit.

While I didn't vote for him for CSM7, and wouldn't vote for him in the future, due to him simply not needing my vote, I don't feel any less inclined to vote for him after the recent events. What he did was over the line, yes, but once he realized what he'd done he manned up and openly apologized for his actions. I think that most of the anti-Mittani rhetoric going on right now isn't because of his actions, it's because of people who already hate him using this as a focal point for their rage.

Do I agree with his in-game practices? Typically no (though I do believe that the griefing and scamming Goons do is good for the game as a whole, Eve is a harsh universe after all). Was what he did at Fanfest over the line? Yes. But does this diminish his effectiveness as a CSM representative in communicating the needs of the game to the devs who are working on it? I don't believe so, I believe that he would still make an effective CSM member, despite his lapse in judgement at Fanfest.

I only made that post because I haven't watched Firefly yet...