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Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#141 - 2012-03-29 15:48:56 UTC
Basileus Volkan wrote:
If you truly believe the average inhabitant of Jita would be smart enough to move somewhere else you are overestimating people a lot.

The Ice Interdiction already proved that most people in highsec can not deal with sudden change to their "lifestyle" at all.


I made out like a bandit on that. I just switched out my mack for a noctis. People kept coming. I even actively warned people away and they wouldn't stop coming.


"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#142 - 2012-03-29 15:54:37 UTC
I will be in Jita hen they come.

I will be shooting Goons. If I get a clear timeline in the frame of a week I will war dec them too.

If CCP want to do something, spawn a Caldari fleet to support me. Otherwise, GTFO.
Ninyania alCladdyth
McLuvin AstroDynamics
#143 - 2012-03-29 15:56:10 UTC
Basileus Volkan wrote:
If you truly believe the average inhabitant of Jita would be smart enough to move somewhere else you are overestimating people a lot.

The Ice Interdiction already proved that most people in highsec can not deal with sudden change to their "lifestyle" at all.


Goons wouldn't have to *DO* anything other then hang around off the undock on Jita 4-4 - the 99% would turn around and re-enter the station as soon as they saw the thousands of flashing red icons.


Goons could cripple the regions trade without firing a single shot.
Lenrir Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#144 - 2012-03-29 15:58:44 UTC
Ninyania alCladdyth wrote:
Basileus Volkan wrote:
If you truly believe the average inhabitant of Jita would be smart enough to move somewhere else you are overestimating people a lot.

The Ice Interdiction already proved that most people in highsec can not deal with sudden change to their "lifestyle" at all.


Goons wouldn't have to *DO* anything other then hang around off the undock on Jita 4-4 - the 99% would turn around and re-enter the station as soon as they saw the thousands of flashing red icons.


Goons could cripple the regions trade without firing a single shot.



Well, the citizens have one month...so maybe...just maybe...they might prepare a defense fleet?
My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#145 - 2012-03-29 16:00:20 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
Largo Usagi wrote:
If CCP takes action against the jita burn, I will be done with eve, it would be irrefutable proof that the sandbox is completely dead. No where in space should be 100% safe and the mechanics the way they are keep a good balance, ******* with that balance is just wrong and thats what would have to be done to stop this from happening.



I think CCP will do whatever is needed to protect the game.
While I am going to find halarity at every turn of this soap opera, I can't help but wonder why you kids think this will have a positive effect?



REally? You must have missed the events in Jita last year...

CCP let it happen all weekend. People were rioting, shooting stuff, ganking stuff... for 3 days.

...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious....

Butt Hurt about Harrasment? Read first GM post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
Basileus Volkan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#146 - 2012-03-29 16:00:30 UTC
Hint: Mission fit Navy Ravens don't count as "defense fleet".
My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#147 - 2012-03-29 16:03:20 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Will CCP act against the Burn Jita campaign on day 1? No.

Will CCP act against the prolonged campaign of Burn Jita? Probably.

Why would they? Because continued grieving and or disruption of other players game experience is frowned upon if not covered by the GM governance framework.

Spiteful goons are spiteful.


Ban all players involved in the 2009 PR- Hellcamp.


Ban all players involved in the 3-day 2011 Jita Riots

...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious....

Butt Hurt about Harrasment? Read first GM post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
Marduk Nibiru
Chaos Delivery Systems
#148 - 2012-03-29 16:08:21 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:

There is a very good point about whether ccp will allow, and promote burn jita, or push it down. Let us discuss it civily, since there isn't one like that.


I think CCP is probably as excited about the idea as I am. It's the kind of thing that EvE is all about. My bet, you'll find devs on both sides of the action...as regular players of course.

Although, CCP could interfere in ways that would be interesting. An anti-terrorist force; a sudden, convenient incursion... Nothing to actually stop the goons, but perhaps make it more than just suicide after suicide. A true war over the hub...

Like others have expressed though, if CCP tries to stop it...if they start banning goons and others that take part...I'll go play in the sun. I'll join my girlfriend in SWTOR or something. Write my own spaceship game... I'll be doing something other than playing and paying for EvE.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#149 - 2012-03-29 16:14:25 UTC
CCP introduces their secret patch of a malevolent alien race concept to EvE.

Invasion starts in the northern provinces of null sec. Roll

Bounty Hunting - Soon (™): Retribution (Winter 2012)

It's just criminal - Smuggling
My Neutral Toon
Doomheim
#150 - 2012-03-29 16:15:09 UTC
regardless of your stance towards GSF, CFC or The Mittani


If you think burning Jita requires CCP intervention, or bans of some sort


YOU ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS GAME

and if you can't figure out why.... take 2 weeks off, then quit.

...Can't. Tell. If ...Troll? Or Serious....

Butt Hurt about Harrasment? Read first GM post: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=88362&find=unread
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#151 - 2012-03-29 16:20:07 UTC
Marduk Nibiru wrote:
Like others have expressed though, if CCP tries to stop it...


They won't.

What the goons're planning to do is entirely solvable via ordinary PvP without having to resort to exploits or anything. So long as it remains in-game and doesn't extend to harassment of players, then they won't need to.

Player actions in game against other players that don't hinge on exploits aren't a problem. Besides, Jita is just an accident of the way the market works, not some kind of Civil Right. Why the hell should the devs care if it's locked down by a thousand butthurt Goons for a while?

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#152 - 2012-03-29 16:21:21 UTC
Basileus Volkan wrote:
Hint: Mission fit Navy Ravens don't count as "defense fleet".


Navy anything is a waste.

I will be honest, I don't know how long Concords Queue list is so my goal will be to get as many of you to lock me as I can if Concord cleans that many of you out after I die.

Hull tanked Baddons with no weapons groups but I can't be sure how many I can lose before I go broke.
Grumpy Owly
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#153 - 2012-03-29 16:23:20 UTC
My Neutral Toon wrote:
regardless of your stance towards GSF, CFC or The Mittani


If you think burning Jita requires CCP intervention, or bans of some sort


YOU ARE WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS GAME

and if you can't figure out why.... take 2 weeks off, then quit.


Oh I'm sorry I thought we were having fun then, didn't realise you had a serious point to make. Blink

Bounty Hunting - Soon (™): Retribution (Winter 2012)

It's just criminal - Smuggling
Lakshata Chawla
State War Academy
Caldari State
#154 - 2012-03-29 16:26:36 UTC
I support burning jita, it would be great for everyone in the game except the carebears and AFK hauler bots.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#155 - 2012-03-29 16:38:12 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
IsTheOpOver wrote:
What I got from Alex's audio response was that he was perfectly fine with not being on CSM7, the 30 day ban, and the original blog post telling people what was done.

What mad him "angry" was CCP calling him a bad person in the 2nd blog. From the blog:

"Such behavior crosses the line of acceptable player conduct and breaks the Terms of Service. CCP finds this behavior morally reprehensible."

It's one thing when pubbies call him and goonswarm scumbags, it's quite another when CCP does it apparently.

Hence, Jita must burn.


So...Mittens........ Mad?



He mad.

I think whats more telling here is that this makes his apology pretty much fake.

"Sure im sincere that what i did was wrong and bad, but how dear people actually call me out on my behavior. How dear a public business take a stance against cyber bullying that might lead to suicide, ill make them pay for that." - mittens the space pope wizard

Thats not sane.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Farrisen
MoaR ChickeN
#156 - 2012-03-29 16:43:54 UTC
I made myself listen to the whole thing, and uh, my head hurts.

Have fun in Jita

http://i.imgur.com/DWBuV.png

Originally by: CCP Spitfire: It's because of falcon.
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#157 - 2012-03-29 16:46:07 UTC
Why the hell would CCP not support Jita Burn?

It's part of the game, and potentially one of the most exciting things to happen in EVE. CCP aren't stupid any more.

[URL="https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=82348"]UI Iteration isn't enough, we need to start from scratch[/URL]
Lamperouge Kasenumi
Doomheim
#158 - 2012-03-29 16:51:17 UTC
I don't see any reason for CCP to interfere. They will just enjoy the show like the rest of us. This is what the sandbox is all about and you won't have people complaining about it like you had last summer. CCP might even use it for a publicity stunt. That's what I would do.

This CCP vs Goons thing only exist in the mind of the Goons.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#159 - 2012-03-29 16:53:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
Lakshata Chawla wrote:
I support burning jita, it would be great for everyone in the game except the carebears and AFK hauler bots.



WHAT exactly does Jita have to do with carebears ???? You must know something I don't.

I have had no need to go there for over a year.

Jita needs to go anyway to boost business and markets elsewhere.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Lamperouge Kasenumi
Doomheim
#160 - 2012-03-29 17:00:01 UTC
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
Asuka Solo wrote:
Will CCP act against the Burn Jita campaign on day 1? No.

Will CCP act against the prolonged campaign of Burn Jita? Probably.

Why would they? Because continued grieving and or disruption of other players game experience is frowned upon if not covered by the GM governance framework.

Spiteful goons are spiteful.


This pretty much. They'll let Jita burn in the short term but if it continues with no end in sight and game play is disrupted for a lot of players, I can see them step in.

I see another trade hub picking up the slack though


They won't step in, people will adapt, other hub will be created. Worst case scenario, Jita will become another page in the crazy history of Eve and CCP has absolutely no reason to stop that from happening. Actually, if Jita becomes a story of the past, it adds so much more credibility to the sandbox and to the whole "emerging universe" idea. Right now, the best thing for CCP is the success of the Goons plan, pretty interesting times indeed...