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Vangelios
#101 - 2012-03-29 13:52:02 UTC
What I don't understand is 30 day prior notice. That will reduce impact of such operation on large scale. However I believe in possibility that this is just a disinformation for another much larger scale event or something that is not expected.

... Each small candle Lights a corner of the dark...

Norian Lonark
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#102 - 2012-03-29 13:55:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Norian Lonark
Nick Bison wrote:
Imminent goon attack on Jita is an awesome thing.
Good player driven content, good fun for all.

Just think, a bunch of goons show up to blast away at all the unwary.
A bunch of anti-goon folk are sure to show up .. possibly some new WarDecs.

Lots of shooting, ships exploding ... a good time will be had by all!


This. Its what EVE is. Its the sandbox in action, stopping it would go against the fundamental concept. I think CCP will love it. This sort of press is what gets people interested in eve that player driven events like this actually happen.

Start wide, expand further, and never look back

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#103 - 2012-03-29 13:55:56 UTC
Vangelios wrote:
What I don't understand is 30 day prior notice. That will reduce impact of such operation on large scale.

Only if you count impact by number of ships exploded. If you count it by reputation (which in the end is what matters in EVE), Goons have already probably gotten more of that than they could have by a surprise attack in a month after all the noise has died down.

Whatever Goons are, they are not daft about keeping up their reputation.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#104 - 2012-03-29 14:00:43 UTC
I want Jita stopped as a major hub as well.

But the Goons doing it just sounds like............they do not deserve to be the ones to do it anymore.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Lenrir Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#105 - 2012-03-29 14:11:02 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I want Jita stopped as a major hub as well.

But the Goons doing it just sounds like............they do not deserve to be the ones to do it anymore.



So you are mad that we are coming up with creative ideas while you wallow in our shadow?
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#106 - 2012-03-29 14:14:34 UTC
Lenrir Andven wrote:
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
I want Jita stopped as a major hub as well.

But the Goons doing it just sounds like............they do not deserve to be the ones to do it anymore.



So you are mad that we are coming up with creative ideas while you wallow in our shadow?



The idea of shuttling down Jita is hardly new.......much less creative.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#107 - 2012-03-29 14:17:38 UTC
I'll set my buy order for an assload of frigates.

Blow me up: Whoops, you lost a Tornado to melt a Rifter.
Don't blow me up: Lol, failcamp.

Aranakas CEO of Green Anarchy Green vs Green

Minabunny
Bogus Brothers Corporation
#108 - 2012-03-29 14:18:38 UTC
I would rather choose another system out of the hundreds there are to play in the day of the Jita tantrum. The only thing this little escapade is going to accomplish is enforce how juvenile Goon and it's alliance members truly are. I would hope your enemies would take action on this day and invade your space.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#109 - 2012-03-29 14:19:45 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
I fully support Burn Jita. It's an idea I've harbored for some time myself (I have another name for it) and regret never having the influence and money to be the one to make it happen. Mine would not have come with any warning, though.

edit: even though I support it, there's a good chance I'll be there that day to whore onto some Concord killmails with a rack of target painters.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#110 - 2012-03-29 14:19:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
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CCP has over-reacted. There was no malicious intent, just poor choice of wording.

Of course there was malicious intent. There might not have been an intent for the guy to actually shoot himself, but there definitely was an intent to use the stagetime to make Mittani/Goons feel glorious about themselves by ridiculing this guy. And that's malicious, even if you intend it as a joke.

Quote:
Are we required by the TOS to report every threat of Murder / Suicide now? If so, I'd like a right-click [report player as Homicidal/Suicidal] button please. People lie about this kind of crap frequently, and I think many of you out there don't believe that, but it's true.

You are not required, you are allowed (as before).

However, what I would be really careful about is answering such threats verbally, unless you actually want to do so to try and help the other guy. As part of banter, I'd end it when anyone takes it there. Then again, I always thought this was a good policy, so no problems for me there.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#111 - 2012-03-29 14:26:28 UTC
JTK Fotheringham wrote:
About "Burn Jita" - it'll be amusing. But Jita isn't CCP's hub of choice - it was player made because it became the centre for T2 trade when T2 was introduced. CCP just reinforce the node there because of the traffic. The Goons plan will therefore fail - either because a new Hub will emerge, or trade will move to nearby systems temporarily and return to Jita once the Goons run out of steam, or need to return to protect vulnerable 0.0 space. They can't be in two places at once.

Others have commented on and said the same things I am going to. I don't think any goon actually thinks that a permanent, or even long term camp of jita to an extent is possible. In terms of a new gallente hub, I imagine it would be Motsu which was pretty big prior to agent changes for the L4 runners. Post that, Osmon really has a huge possibility of being a new hub being close and other things that make it a significant subsystem. I think the ideal outcome from a gameplay idea would be a change in system, hopefully, ccp thinks this as well and is prepared for the hardware changes to how the systems server node to do this.

That of course was one of two only concerns I had with the issue. How much effort or problems would be caused if traffic moved from the jita server node to somewhere else? Second would be, like I said earlier, from a pirate event and making it directed at specific players.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#112 - 2012-03-29 14:29:37 UTC
CCP shouldn't and I seriously doubt they will take any action against anything GSF want's to do in game including the "Burn Jita" initiative. It is all part of the sandbox. Something EvE is built upon and CCP pride themselves for.

Bounties for all! https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2279821#post2279821

Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#113 - 2012-03-29 14:30:57 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Stuff

Wrong thread, that discussion is elsewhere. This thread is about the effects of a Jita burn only. Effects good/bad and support, have any comments on that?

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To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#114 - 2012-03-29 14:34:28 UTC
Trade hubs are bad for the game anyway.


BURN THEM ALL.


Why stop at Jita ???

GET CREATIVE.

JITA, DODIXIE, AMARR, RENS, HEK, TASH-MURKON, et al.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Elsebeth Rhiannon
Gradient
Electus Matari
#115 - 2012-03-29 14:36:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Elsebeth Rhiannon
Markus Reese wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Stuff

Wrong thread, that discussion is elsewhere. This thread is about the effects of a Jita burn only. Effects good/bad and support, have any comments on that?

True, sorry for falling for a derail troll.

I commented already Somewhere(tm), but here's a repetition: personally I don't ever go to Jita and I don't intend to start for this stuff. Beyond personal opinion, I don't care either way. If people want to blow other people up in high-sec, by all means. I think CCP is with me there, too: after all, Mittanigate was not about blowing up a miner but about what was said about it. I doubt it will have any long-term effects. For people to change business permanently out of Jita it would have to take months.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#116 - 2012-03-29 14:36:52 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Stuff

Wrong thread, that discussion is elsewhere. This thread is about the effects of a Jita burn only. Effects good/bad and support, have any comments on that?

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For the rest.


Effects?

None. Not any meaningful ones, anyway. A few people lose stuff, some money moves around the economy, at most Jita becomes a little more quiet for a bit as the traders and industrialists take their business elsewhere, but the game as a whole doesn't rely on Jita. It's a convenient hub for activity, not the activity itself.

The most the Goons can hope to accomplish is inconveniencing a bunch of people who'll probably be smart enough to outmanoeuvre the problem anyway (and if they cant.... oh well, that's EVE. HTFU.)

CCP certainly don't have anything to worry about. if the Goons think they can shut EVE down single-handed, they've forgotten that that's what they wanted to do in the first place.

Look how well that turned out Pirate

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

LOL56
STK Scientific
The Initiative.
#117 - 2012-03-29 14:42:26 UTC
LET IT BURN!
Andrea Griffin
#118 - 2012-03-29 14:43:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Andrea Griffin
Shaampoo wrote:
Jita burn at worse will be a few QQ posts and a new market hub properly Amaar or Paris
Exactly. There's plenty of trade at the other hubs, and it will just move there - if it moves at all. I'm not particularly convinced that the Goons will be effective in affecting Jita trade to any large degree.

I don't expect much in the way of tears either; those who use Jita enough to matter will see this as an opportunity or, at the very least, understand that this is Eve and won't whine about it.

But we'll see, I suppose.

If Goons want grief and tears then they should instead move their Tornadoes to mission hubs and start ganking expensive mission ships. Those who run missions 23/7 are quite possibly the most self entitled, conflict-averse people in all of Eve, and they would whine the loudest. Plus, it still affects the market to a degree by destroying expensive ships and modules.

Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Why stop at Jita ???

GET CREATIVE.

JITA, DODIXIE, AMARR, RENS, HEK, TASH-MURKON, et al.
Tash-Murkon? Really? That place is a ghost town. Might as well toss Ouresaleaurt (or whatever that abomination is) on the pile in that case.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#119 - 2012-03-29 15:12:49 UTC
You realize they said BURN JITA

but odds are it can just be a distractions.


Basically ALL trade hubs should just be mindful of local and the surrounding systems around that time.

ALL of them.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **

Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#120 - 2012-03-29 15:14:47 UTC
Krixtal Icefluxor wrote:
Trade hubs are bad for the game anyway.


BURN THEM ALL.


Why stop at Jita ???

GET CREATIVE.

JITA, DODIXIE, AMARR, RENS, HEK, TASH-MURKON, et al.


Dodixie is my home system.

Light it up.

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."