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PVP in eve is non Existent
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Meso Tight
KAHONAS
#1 - 2011-09-25 09:18:19 UTC
It's fleet commander vs. fleet commander. No longer can 5-10 people think outside the box and fight outnumbered. Yogie bear & friends rule. It's geared toward the useless babies that follow the milk leaking tit into a battle of #'s. Fuckin grow up CPP, you FAIL. Fix PVP or forever exist as a statistic among the FAILING MMOG group of 2011
Firebolt145
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#2 - 2011-09-25 09:39:22 UTC
You're right. No one in EVE can fight bigger numbers. Trolololo.
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#3 - 2011-09-25 10:41:05 UTC
When two opposing sides are of equal strength, a battle would be too costly, or not yield significant advantages for either. Sometimes, both. The military history of the world, in its entirety, consists of battles fought between the advantaged and the disadvantaged, and the occasional (and surprising) triumph by the latter.

When you said that "PVP in eve is non Existent," did you mean arena PvP? Because if so, I regret to inform you that it never existed in the first place.

I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here:

https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Disastro
Wrecking Shots
#4 - 2011-09-25 11:42:03 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
When two opposing sides are of equal strength, a battle would be too costly, or not yield significant advantages for either. Sometimes, both. The military history of the world, in its entirety, consists of battles fought between the advantaged and the disadvantaged, and the occasional (and surprising) triumph by the latter.

When you said that "PVP in eve is non Existent," did you mean arena PvP? Because if so, I regret to inform you that it never existed in the first place.


^^^
This. Exactly. I get sick and tired of idiots coming on the forums and complaining about getting blobbed. Do you really think that anyone is going to choose to fight at a disadvantage if they do not have to do so?

The way PVP happens in EVE Online is not really that different than how militaries all over the world choose to engage enemies in real life. The US Military doesnt say....oh well we got only 100 taliban to shoot at so the other 10000 of you troops stay at home and play wow while we take 100 over to fight them the "elite" way.

If folks have the advantage of numbers they will use it. Every single time. If they dont have the advantage of numbers they will look for other advantages or just choose to avoid. Very few folks are looking to go out and lose. Yes, there are some of those guys in eve who do look to fight even when they are grossly disadvantaged. Most of us call them losers.
Smabs
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-09-25 12:27:32 UTC
It's a videogame not real life. Most comparisons with real life battles are completely ridiculous.

Still, in comparison to other games it's a real pain replacing and moving ships so people mostly just blob, run off or setup traps. It's kinda a game of who's bloody minded enough to keep the game running til the other guy engages out of sheer boredom.

If you want to get quick, regular fights you have to put yourself at a disadvantage. Even then there'll be a lot of slow periods.
Mystical Might
Eclipse Pulsar
Fraternity.
#6 - 2011-09-25 14:01:15 UTC
I like to think of myself as someone who fights when the odds are stacked against him.
Buuuuuut That's just me.
tofucake prime
The Hatchery
RAZOR Alliance
#7 - 2011-09-25 14:27:21 UTC
You're correct! Nobody can attack bigger fleets and win.
Conor Todaki
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-09-25 14:41:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Conor Todaki
I went to low-sec today.

Guess how many people I saw.

1 warp stabbed rifter.

Oh and a thanatos. Doing whatever outside a station in docking range.
Goose99
#9 - 2011-09-25 14:44:27 UTC
Disastro wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
When two opposing sides are of equal strength, a battle would be too costly, or not yield significant advantages for either. Sometimes, both. The military history of the world, in its entirety, consists of battles fought between the advantaged and the disadvantaged, and the occasional (and surprising) triumph by the latter.

When you said that "PVP in eve is non Existent," did you mean arena PvP? Because if so, I regret to inform you that it never existed in the first place.


^^^
This. Exactly. I get sick and tired of idiots coming on the forums and complaining about getting blobbed. Do you really think that anyone is going to choose to fight at a disadvantage if they do not have to do so?

The way PVP happens in EVE Online is not really that different than how militaries all over the world choose to engage enemies in real life. The US Military doesnt say....oh well we got only 100 taliban to shoot at so the other 10000 of you troops stay at home and play wow while we take 100 over to fight them the "elite" way.

If folks have the advantage of numbers they will use it. Every single time. If they dont have the advantage of numbers they will look for other advantages or just choose to avoid. Very few folks are looking to go out and lose. Yes, there are some of those guys in eve who do look to fight even when they are grossly disadvantaged. Most of us call them losers.


Real world =/= game.

In pvp of any other game, from twitch shooter to strategy, artificial mechanics are always used to keep numbers equal.

But of course, since internet spaceships are serious business, fun and games are not allowed. We must pay monthly subscription to fight realistically. God forbid there's ever AT style arenas implemented.Lol
Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2011-09-25 17:32:20 UTC
Goose99 wrote:
Disastro wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
When two opposing sides are of equal strength, a battle would be too costly, or not yield significant advantages for either. Sometimes, both. The military history of the world, in its entirety, consists of battles fought between the advantaged and the disadvantaged, and the occasional (and surprising) triumph by the latter.

When you said that "PVP in eve is non Existent," did you mean arena PvP? Because if so, I regret to inform you that it never existed in the first place.


^^^
This. Exactly. I get sick and tired of idiots coming on the forums and complaining about getting blobbed. Do you really think that anyone is going to choose to fight at a disadvantage if they do not have to do so?

The way PVP happens in EVE Online is not really that different than how militaries all over the world choose to engage enemies in real life. The US Military doesnt say....oh well we got only 100 taliban to shoot at so the other 10000 of you troops stay at home and play wow while we take 100 over to fight them the "elite" way.

If folks have the advantage of numbers they will use it. Every single time. If they dont have the advantage of numbers they will look for other advantages or just choose to avoid. Very few folks are looking to go out and lose. Yes, there are some of those guys in eve who do look to fight even when they are grossly disadvantaged. Most of us call them losers.


Real world =/= game.

In pvp of any other game, from twitch shooter to strategy, artificial mechanics are always used to keep numbers equal.

But of course, since internet spaceships are serious business, fun and games are not allowed. We must pay monthly subscription to fight realistically. God forbid there's ever AT style arenas implemented.Lol


The difference between EVE and, say, TF2, is that in EVE, a massive part of the game is about gathering resources, building more ships, and recruiting more pilots. If you're all of a sudden forced to bring equal numbers to fight a much smaller force, you're effectively making that part of the game irrelevant, and, dare I say it, killing EVE.
Wylee Coyote
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2011-09-25 18:23:33 UTC
Roosterton wrote:
Goose99 wrote:
Disastro wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
When two opposing sides are of equal strength, a battle would be too costly, or not yield significant advantages for either. Sometimes, both. The military history of the world, in its entirety, consists of battles fought between the advantaged and the disadvantaged, and the occasional (and surprising) triumph by the latter.

When you said that "PVP in eve is non Existent," did you mean arena PvP? Because if so, I regret to inform you that it never existed in the first place.


^^^
This. Exactly. I get sick and tired of idiots coming on the forums and complaining about getting blobbed. Do you really think that anyone is going to choose to fight at a disadvantage if they do not have to do so?

The way PVP happens in EVE Online is not really that different than how militaries all over the world choose to engage enemies in real life. The US Military doesnt say....oh well we got only 100 taliban to shoot at so the other 10000 of you troops stay at home and play wow while we take 100 over to fight them the "elite" way.

If folks have the advantage of numbers they will use it. Every single time. If they dont have the advantage of numbers they will look for other advantages or just choose to avoid. Very few folks are looking to go out and lose. Yes, there are some of those guys in eve who do look to fight even when they are grossly disadvantaged. Most of us call them losers.


Real world =/= game.

In pvp of any other game, from twitch shooter to strategy, artificial mechanics are always used to keep numbers equal.

But of course, since internet spaceships are serious business, fun and games are not allowed. We must pay monthly subscription to fight realistically. God forbid there's ever AT style arenas implemented.Lol


The difference between EVE and, say, TF2, is that in EVE, a massive part of the game is about gathering resources, building more ships, and recruiting more pilots. If you're all of a sudden forced to bring equal numbers to fight a much smaller force, you're effectively making that part of the game irrelevant, and, dare I say it, killing EVE.



Part of this game's appeal is the harsh consequences. It's more 'realistic' in the aspect of 'losing it all'. This isn't a FPS (or other MMO) where you respawn with everything readily available, and this coupled with the fact that even though it's a game, it's still played by real life people spending real life time to 'play' and real life logic while 'playing'.
grumpyguts1
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#12 - 2011-09-25 19:30:25 UTC
Meso Tight wrote:
It's fleet commander vs. fleet commander. No longer can 5-10 people think outside the box and fight outnumbered. Yogie bear & friends rule. It's geared toward the useless babies that follow the milk leaking tit into a battle of #'s. Fuckin grow up CPP, you FAIL. Fix PVP or forever exist as a statistic among the FAILING MMOG group of 2011


Yes I agree with Meso cause Meso always fights fair poor buzzardRoll

Oh and can I has you stuff when you leave ?? LolLol
Goose99
#13 - 2011-09-25 20:10:17 UTC
Wylee Coyote wrote:
Roosterton wrote:
Goose99 wrote:

Real world =/= game.

In pvp of any other game, from twitch shooter to strategy, artificial mechanics are always used to keep numbers equal.

But of course, since internet spaceships are serious business, fun and games are not allowed. We must pay monthly subscription to fight realistically. God forbid there's ever AT style arenas implemented.Lol


The difference between EVE and, say, TF2, is that in EVE, a massive part of the game is about gathering resources, building more ships, and recruiting more pilots. If you're all of a sudden forced to bring equal numbers to fight a much smaller force, you're effectively making that part of the game irrelevant, and, dare I say it, killing EVE.



Part of this game's appeal is the harsh consequences. It's more 'realistic' in the aspect of 'losing it all'. This isn't a FPS (or other MMO) where you respawn with everything readily available, and this coupled with the fact that even though it's a game, it's still played by real life people spending real life time to 'play' and real life logic while 'playing'.


There are other full loot games where you lose it all. The only difference with Eve, and what makes Eve unique, is its fixation on quantity instead of quality. In other full loot games, resources are focused in improving quality, instead of numbers.
Zoe Alarhun
The Proactive Reappropriation Corporation
#14 - 2011-09-25 20:38:47 UTC
Or you could just - you know solo. I spent some time playing this weekend and I got some kills. If a noob like me can, anyone can.
Goose99
#15 - 2011-09-26 00:03:37 UTC
Zoe Alarhun wrote:
Or you could just - you know solo. I spent some time playing this weekend and I got some kills. If a noob like me can, anyone can.


Some people are masochists. Good for them.Cool
Cpt Fina
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-09-26 00:13:25 UTC
Disastro wrote:
Yes, there are some of those guys in eve who do look to fight even when they are grossly disadvantaged. Most of us call them losers.



Confirming that in order to achieve maximum e-respect you have to be blobbing like there's no tomorrow.
Goose99
#17 - 2011-09-26 00:39:50 UTC
Cpt Fina wrote:
Disastro wrote:
Yes, there are some of those guys in eve who do look to fight even when they are grossly disadvantaged. Most of us call them losers.



Confirming that in order to achieve maximum e-respect you have to be blobbing like there's no tomorrow.


Don't hate the players, hate the game.Cool
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-09-26 01:30:56 UTC
You're an idiot. This post is incredibly ignorant and useless.

Heretics roam solo or in groups of 2-5 every single day and get tons of great fights. Tons.

Don't claim something unless you have some knowledge in the matter.

I'm back!
Jude Lloyd
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2011-09-26 01:33:46 UTC
Also, the best fights are the ones where you go against a larger enemy. Just because you suck at the game doesn't mean the rest of us do.

I'm back!
Mara Abraham
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2011-09-26 01:56:06 UTC
Good day, Meso Tight:

The Tuskers often fight in a small gang vs. larger numbers.

While I believe t here are a lot of things to fix in Eve, why do you think pvp itself is broken?

What would you have CCP change to make it better?

Thank you.

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