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Does anyone else feel bad for CCP in all this?

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#21 - 2012-03-29 12:04:49 UTC
Yeah, I feel sorry for CCP, they were ****** if they do, ****** if they don't. And hands tied with the EULA/TOS.

However the biggest losers in all this are the common goons. Their propaganda effort was a terrible failure. Their futile, parroting downplay shitpoasting made them look like real sociopaths before the banning, and now the guys who "enjoy pubbie tears and want to destroy the game for others" cry far more than I've ever seen a poor, ganked carebear noob cry.

I used to have respect for the Goonswarm and thought they got a kind of cool thing going, but that's been swept away by the staggering amount idiocy they've managed to spill on the forums during these days.

Ironically the man who caused all this and betrayed his constituency walked away from the shitstorm pretty much unscathed. Guess that's how it goes, when a clever man leads a bunch of fools.

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Mallikanth
Wasters
#22 - 2012-03-29 12:07:37 UTC
I too feel sorry for CCP who put up and continue to put up a fantastic product (Why else would any of us keep playing it?).

The drama in the game helps sell it.
The drama out of the game often helps destroy it.
Unfortunately I feel that the later often gets more publicity

I also feel sorry for Alex (If I may be so bold as to use the first name of someone I don't really know) as he clearly enjoyed (Enjoys?) his time in Eve as The Mittani. I hope he continues to do so after all this, but free from any constraints of being CSM Chairman and to revel in his role as CEO.

Let now all play Eve and enjoy the game and get all this behind us. Time to move on, Ladies & Gents (and everyone else)

O7



Believe in what they do, not what they say.
TuonelanOrja
Doomheim
#23 - 2012-03-29 12:08:34 UTC
Banderlei Shiiba wrote:
TuonelanOrja wrote:
Agree, manchild do need a babysitter


Drunk people certainly do, especially if they're representing your company in what is apparently an official venue. Doubly so when you know the subject matter of their presentation beforehand.

Other members did fine(well except that wizard's girlfriend, seliine, selaane or something...).

Not a veteran, just bitter..
Cailais
The Red Pill Taker Group
#24 - 2012-03-29 12:10:38 UTC
CCP is, simply put, a drama magnet.

That in part is due to their close proximity to their player base - they actively engage with it, and recruit from it. That may, or may not, be a good thing depending upon your perspective.

CCP has in general engaged most significantly with its most ardent supporters but the company probably recognises there is a risk in doing so - the line between fan, fanaticism and out right mental instability is, as ever, a thin one. Could CCP do a better job in this respect? Almost certainly but I dont see much evidence of either a corporate culture in that regard or in the structure and responsibilities of their staff.

Having said this, CCP Unifex strikes me as a sensible and pragmatic person and one who is capable of sharing in the passion of the game its player base has, whilst restraining himself from the impulse to over hype and under deliver. Perhaps that 'roller coaster' environment will change as a result.

C.
Banderlei Shiiba
SSAP KG
#25 - 2012-03-29 12:11:05 UTC
TuonelanOrja wrote:
Other members did fine(well except that wizard's girlfriend, seliine, selaane or something...).


So what do you take away from that? That it was inconceivable that a drunk person could/would say something mind-numbingly ********? Or that it was a minor miracle that only one did?
Mikhail Illiad
Fevered Imaginings
#26 - 2012-03-29 12:17:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Mikhail Illiad
Banderlei Shiiba wrote:
CCP was perfectly fine with making fun of a suicidal player on a livestream before it blew up in their face. Not sure why they deserve even the tiniest shred of sympathy here.

You know what would have averted this entire thing?

"I don't think that slide is acceptable, he sounds like he might have legitimate mental problems"

or even simpler

"Sorry, you're too drunk to be given a microphone"


I approve of this level headed view from a goon.

I do feel for CCP tho, its never fun to be caught up in a s**tstorm =/

But yeah just look over the slides next year CCP would have only taken 5 minutes and this could have been easily avoided, doesn't help that someone ~snitched~ and went to the media tho instead of going through the correct channels and creating a threadnaught Twisted

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Doddy
Excidium.
#27 - 2012-03-29 12:19:17 UTC
I feel bad it happened to them just when they are headin in the right direction with the game. On the other hand they are the ones who created the hard drinking htfu culture/image in the first place (which i love them for) so really its their own fault.
Banderlei Shiiba
SSAP KG
#28 - 2012-03-29 12:20:05 UTC
MIkhail Illiad wrote:
But yeah just look over the slides next year CCP would have only taken 5 minutes and this could have been easily avoided, doesn't help that someone ~snitched~ and went to the media tho instead of going through the correct channels and creating a threadnaught Twisted


They did look over the slides this year, as per their own devblog on the subject. They were fine with him making fun of the guy, but not with his Q&A comments. It's one of the big reasons you see threads asking for clarification on what constitutes harassment.
Doddy
Excidium.
#29 - 2012-03-29 12:20:51 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Banderlei Shiiba wrote:
CCP was perfectly fine with making fun of a suicidal player on a livestream before it blew up in their face. Not sure why they deserve even the tiniest shred of sympathy here.

You know what would have averted this entire thing?

"I don't think that slide is acceptable, he sounds like he might have legitimate mental problems"

or even simpler

"Sorry, you're too drunk to be given a microphone"

First goon post I've seen that acknowledges the actual problem. Interesting.


You clearly haven't been reading many posts then.
TuonelanOrja
Doomheim
#30 - 2012-03-29 12:26:38 UTC
Banderlei Shiiba wrote:
MIkhail Illiad wrote:
But yeah just look over the slides next year CCP would have only taken 5 minutes and this could have been easily avoided, doesn't help that someone ~snitched~ and went to the media tho instead of going through the correct channels and creating a threadnaught Twisted


They did look over the slides this year, as per their own devblog on the subject. They were fine with him making fun of the guy, but not with his Q&A comments. It's one of the big reasons you see threads asking for clarification on what constitutes harassment.


So, everything was perfectly fine until wizard opened hes mouth.

Not a veteran, just bitter..
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-03-29 12:27:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Miss Whippy
I agree with OP 100%.

This has got nothing to do with cyber-bullying and everything to do with people hating The Mittani, most of the people baying for blood are just as bad, if not worse. They are nothing more then a bunch of vile hypocrites. In their campaign of hate they have not only seriously tarnished CCP's reputation, they have utterly destroyed what was the most positive and hopeful atmosphere I have seen on these forums in a long time.

CCP have clearly worked extremely hard on delivering what we've all been demanding for so long, and delivering it in a very successful fanfest. The community brats repay them by kicking up a storm about something that could have easily been resolved without them.

I feel really deflated after what was such a great time, I can only imagine how CCP staff must be feeling right now. Yes, what The Mittani did was wrong and he should suffer the consequences. But thanks to many brats on here who have confused hating an in-game persona with hating a real person and then crucifying him when he makes an ill-judged mistake to the point where the media have got involved; we've all been dragged through the mud.

Only the worst kind of idiot could see this as any kind of victory.

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J3ssica Alba
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-03-29 12:30:57 UTC
Im sure Hilmar must have raged at what the Mittani did. I know I would have if after those standing ovations from the audience following the missile launcher presentation and the eve/dust trailer the only thing in the news is what Mittani said.

Eve is so much better than what the Goons make it out to be.
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Farrisen
MoaR ChickeN
#33 - 2012-03-29 12:32:20 UTC
Yesh I feel a bit bad for CCP atm.
"politics" and opinions aside, doesn't matter how they had handled the situation.

Any outcome = some "groups" pissed off.
And CCP's public image ofc.

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Banderlei Shiiba
SSAP KG
#34 - 2012-03-29 12:33:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Banderlei Shiiba
TuonelanOrja wrote:
So, everything was perfectly fine until wizard opened hes mouth.


No, everything was perfectly fine until a drunk opened his mouth and said something controversial, directly referring to a presentation he made earlier (that was approved by CCP) on a livestream at an event that had heavily increased media exposure from years past (both of which were CCP's own doing).

Context is important Smile
Crakachunky
Elite Mining Services
#35 - 2012-03-29 12:34:21 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Banderlei Shiiba wrote:
CCP was perfectly fine with making fun of a suicidal player on a livestream before it blew up in their face. Not sure why they deserve even the tiniest shred of sympathy here.

You know what would have averted this entire thing?

"I don't think that slide is acceptable, he sounds like he might have legitimate mental problems"

or even simpler

"Sorry, you're too drunk to be given a microphone"

First goon post I've seen that acknowledges the actual problem. Interesting.


also agreeing with this
marVLs
#36 - 2012-03-29 12:36:25 UTC
+ 1 for CCP
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-03-29 12:38:42 UTC
I actualy feel very bad for tehm, stuck between a rock and a hard place for sure. Personally I think CCP do a great job nowadays adn look forward to many more years of great spaceships. But yeah, this has sucked hard for CCP.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Lenrir Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-03-29 12:39:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Lenrir Andven
Miss Whippy wrote:
I agree with OP 100%.

This has got nothing to do with cyber-bullying and everything to do with people hating The Mittani, most of the people baying for blood are just as bad, if not worse. They are nothing more then a bunch of vile hypocrites. In their campaign of hate they have not only seriously tarnished CCP's reputation, they have utterly destroyed what was the most positive and hopeful atmosphere I have seen on these forums in a long time.

CCP have clearly worked extremely hard on delivering what we've all been demanding for so long, and delivering it in a very successful fanfest. The community brats repay them by kicking up a storm about something that could have easily been resolved without them.

I feel really deflated after what was such a great time, I can only imagine how CCP staff must be feeling right now. Yes, what The Mittani did was wrong and he should suffer the consequences. But thanks to many brats on here who have confused hating an in-game persona with hating a real person and then crucifying him when he makes an ill-judged mistake to the point where the media have got involved; we've all been dragged through the mud.

Only the worst kind of idiot could see this as any kind of victory.


Good to see the more 'reasonable' folks posting around.

I can not agree enough with what you have stated. This could of easily been dealt with civilly, instead it degraded into an angry mob who had nothing but rage and hatred in their hearts. To see the EVE community devolve itself into mindless primates is, quite frankly, disappointing.

Now I do not approve what the Mittani did, let's get this straight, but he has done the steps he has stated he would do and has stepped down as CSM, apologized and gave compensation. Now I believe that CCP would of accepted this as a reasonable apology, but I believe that the hand of Sony and the somewhat immoral 'outcry' of punishment made them reluctantly take the decisions which was imposed upon him.

However, the damage has been done. This has now been relayed to a good number of media outlets and we are now considered 'evil brutes' who thrives in this 'dog eat dog' nature, which while true for some of us, is not true for others.

Our forums will only serve to temper the steeled opinion of the general gaming public to how we act for we have, in essence, done more damage to CCP than TheMittani could ever of done with that panel.
gfldex
#39 - 2012-03-29 12:41:48 UTC
bldyannoyed wrote:
for something that was ultimately completely beyond their control


They put a drunk goon in front of a camera. That in itself is not a bad idea. To send that without any reduction straight to the interweb was in their control and they should have not done that.

There was a lot of stuff on the stream that was recorded. Some of it was delayed by 2 days. A drunk goon is in my eyes a prime target for such a delay. It's not like they don't know how goons operate and what to expect. They have as much responsibility for what happened then The Mittani.

Don't put drunk folk in front of a camera, it will go wrong sooner then later.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.
Qvar Dar'Zanar
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2012-03-29 12:45:25 UTC
Sometimes I feel like if people actually hated Eve and were trying to bomb the game and CCP.
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