EVE General Discussion

Regardless of your opinion on all the controversy, or whether you even think there should have been any, it seems pretty clear to me that the real losers here are actually CCP

I'm actually quite ambivalent about all this. On the one hand I'm not gonna pretend to have any affection for goons and the irony of what's going on here isn't lost on me. But at the same time if the efforts of Mittens and co. actually do succeed in killing off titans as we currently know them then, regardless of their motivations, I and many others would stand up and applaud

But that's not what I'm talking about

Since Crucible CCP have shown a real dedication to getting back to what we all want. Although I couldn't be there myself I've watched all the fanfest vids and pretty much everything I saw made me look forward to 2012 as an Eve player. The gaming media that matter would have had little choice but to be enthusiastic about it and CCP would have deservedly come out of this looking pretty good. They're communicating, the devs that are in the driving seat are real Eve players, christ even Dust actually looks like it might be worth the hassle

But instead, we've got this ****

Let's face it, from the second this happened CCP couldn't win. Do nothing and they're gonna be crucified by the media who's opinion, sadly, DOES matter and more importantly the Eve playerbase backlash would take us all back to Incarnage. Take action against mittens and well, we get this, an eve playerbase backlash that takes us all back to Incarnage. CCP are now fielding bad press for something that was ultimately completely beyond their control and it's probably not gonna be long before, once again, photoshops of Eve devs burning in hell make an appearance, only this time they won't deserve it

I still love ya CCP

A little. It would be cool if people would stop creating new threads about the subject, but i don't think that's going to happen.

I was excited watching the fanfest but i was left with the old question - When?

The news about a dynamic camera, tactical overview and realistic damage really got my attention but idk when or if we will see that stuff.

Yeah, **** those Sony guys.

CCP was perfectly fine with making fun of a suicidal player on a livestream before it blew up in their face. Not sure why they deserve even the tiniest shred of sympathy here.

You know what would have averted this entire thing?

"I don't think that slide is acceptable, he sounds like he might have legitimate mental problems"

or even simpler

"Sorry, you're too drunk to be given a microphone"

Drama does seem to be on CCPs critical path, intentionally or otherwise. Just when we move on from one drama the next is just around the corner.

Regardless of whether it is a CCP issue or not, CCP allowed such events/actions to happen, and at the very least facilitated them. For that they must be held responsible and therefore do not get the luxury of people feeling sorry for them.

Yeah those are the things I really wanted to see more about, I'd love to see what the art departement showed during fanfest.

These are the things I want to hear about, not beerfarts and put downs. I hope CCP comes out with a few nice arty blogs to calm some of us with soothing nice graphics and candy (dead horse pos was featured during fanfest also).

First goon post I've seen that acknowledges the actual problem. Interesting.

Ehhhhhhh, I've grown to really appreciate the input/effort the active CCP devs have been putting in. So yeah, I do feel a bit bad for them.

Bad situation that was made overly public and they had to take action for a contingency for which they most likely had no plan. They're aware that the EULA is being stretched a bit, and it sets precedent...but with all that bad press, there was no way to avoid doing *something*

From the outside, it seems huge...but as Mittani himself said, he rarely actually logs in. He laid some foundations in CSM 6 and will more than likely be able to get back on CSM 8. Most of the members in CSM 7 besides him are solid candidates, hopefully they'll continue rocking iterations. (Yes, players want this, yes, yes god yes. No, players don't want that, wtf?) Hopefully we can all just...y'know..move on in a few weeks. Edit: and yeah, it sucks he was thrown under the bus. It does. I really doubt CCP felt comfortable with that decision, but I kinda feel like their hands were tied, in part because of the various online news outlets out there that pounced on it.

Finally, it's a vidya game, and CCP's livelihood. I imagine they were on a bit of a high note following Crucible, most the players were happy and they seemed excited about the unveiling of Dust and Inferno. I really, really doubt they were expecting srs bizness and like 60+ separate threads about this bullshit.

I feel bad that some people felt like they needed to take this to the ~gaming media~

There's no one "problem" here, there's several, and they all happened to collide at once.