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Beckett Firesnake
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4361 - 2012-03-29 10:02:38 UTC
I hope you are fine Mittany.
It was really too much ;-)
Like a lot of members of ICE I voted for you.
If there were new elections today, I think I would vote for you again.
Enyeto Perah
#4362 - 2012-03-29 10:03:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Enyeto Perah
Beckett Firesnake wrote:
I hope you are fine Mittany.
It was really too much ;-)
Like a lot of members of ICE I voted for you.
If there were new elections today, I think I would vote for you again.


Sure you would... poo sticks with poo

Say NO to CCP-EA.

http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.
Velyks
Free Real Estate
#4363 - 2012-03-29 10:06:07 UTC
Vampir Draken wrote:
I think the worst or best thing Mittens did here was to demonstrate why other, much more financially successful MMO's don't have a comparable players panel like the CSM
Why would I expect the CSM, comprised mainly of those who think miners and industrialists in game are meant to be harassed, bashed and disenfranchised of their own way of playing in the sandbox, to fairly represent all players. Despite many players of the game claiming it is a PVP game it isn't solely that
It is as described by CCP a sandbox, that includes PVE and PVP elements. Forcing someone in that sandbox to play the PVP game when they don't wish to is not allowing that PVE player to play in the sandbox the way they wish to.


He doesn't care if you're a miner or an industralist, he'll harass you as long as you're not blue to him. Its just the miners and industralists like to whine because they can't be bothered or are unwilling to learn how to fight back.
As described by CCP, a sandbox means anyone can do anything within the bounds of the game, if you don't like that someones come and kicked over your sandcastle you can either pick up your plastic spade and storm off, or you can throw it at the back of his smug head and do something about it.

http://i.imgur.com/JyLjl.jpg
Miranda Etxebarria
Transgalactic Imports and Exports
#4364 - 2012-03-29 10:21:43 UTC
Kajurei Delainen wrote:
I'll admit I watched The Mittani at FanFest CSM panel with disgust - he's a total douche bag. I'm not in his alliance, so I don't follow him.

Listening to Mittani on mumble comms tonight, reinforced that Mittani is not a person worth following. Instead of listening to those that told him he is wrong in his personal behavior and treatment of others, firing him from the CSM panel and banning him from the game. He instead makes the decision to lash out at the game, and orders his alliance to attack players in Jita.

His actions could cause people to quit eve, as they would think that CCP would allow the game to spiral out of control and allow hundreds of players to destroy everything within reach in the trade hub. If people quit the game - we won't have a game to play, hurting all of us.

It's self-destructive behavior - he destroyed his reputation, hurt the reputations of the CSM and CCP, and now looks to hurt the reputation of his own alliance. All of it because he advocated destroying a person through harrassing him to commit suicide.

It's not funny, it never was. Don't follow someone off a cliff - as his actions are clearly self-destructive.

The Mittani should quit eve, not out of rage, but out of guilt. Goonswarm started playing eve with the intent to wreck it, and they have, just like they did in the last game they set out to wreck. The Mittani has wrecked Eve-online's reputation with his vulgar displays on broadcast TV.

He has nothing to be proud of, nothing to show for his self-destructive behavior, absolutely nothing, and will be missed by no one.


Are you kidding me? Was the alliance panel awful? Sure. Should The Mittani be punished for his behavior? No doubt. Was his apology sincere? Don't know, don't care. But here you are, in a thread about TOS/EULA violations, already pissing and moaning about perfectly valid in-game behavior. Wait, let me rephrase that, about behavior that makes this game unique among dozens of generic MMO's. So, Mittens threatens to destroy Jita, a hub in high-sec, protected by CONCORD, sec-status hits and used by most pilots in the goddamn game? Then why don't you, rather than whine about people quitting the game, plan to do something about it?

I don't have any business with GSF or The Mittani. In fact, I'm a Jita trader, so I stand to lose significantly from any action against the hub. Still, reading some of the comments of people who try to link the alliance panel debacle to perfectly norman (and exciting) in-game behavior makes me an embarrased carebear.
Zora'e
#4365 - 2012-03-29 10:22:11 UTC
Never been much of a Fan of Goons, or any of the other major alliances to be honest. Read this story and my first thought was "dude was wasted, he had to be to say something so messed up". Hey... We all say stupid garbage when we're drunk, however, it doesn't really excuse the behavior because as adults we have to take responsibility for what we do sober or otherwise. That you realized this and took the actions you have, is commendable.

I may not agree with game politics, I may even personally think people who take internet spaceships so seriously (even myself when I do it) are being stupidly silly. It's when we cross that fine line between making in game moves against someone or something and start pulling it into the real world and looking for or suggesting real world results from them that we need to step back and take a breath or six (i've done that a few times).

Looks to me like you are doing this.

That's good enough for me.

I won't say you are stupid, but you're not exactly on the Zombie menu either.
Cailais
The Red Pill Taker Group
#4366 - 2012-03-29 10:29:58 UTC
Enyeto Perah wrote:
Cailais wrote:
Enyeto Perah wrote:
Starcaller Dredg wrote:
http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE

Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.

He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down because it would benefit goonswarm.

He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face.

Run the Goons out of EVE.



THIS should be spread!


What this business demonstrates is what happens when one psychologically troubled player (the mackinaw player) impacts with another equally troubled player (Alex Gianturco).

What is abundantly clear is that Alex is having extreme difficulty differentiating his real life self from his alter ego virtual persona. It is deeply disturbing (to me at least) to see someone who is essentially suffering from what appears to be a form of a mental health disorder - a personality disorder specifically.

I would be interested in what plans CCP have to help or offer advice on what support players can receive who are in this unfortunate state of well being. That's not to say that I believe that CCP have an obligation to directly provide such support but alerting players to potential sources of advice would be a 'good thing'.

Im equally surprised that those at CCP did not recognise earlier the signs that Alex Gianturco could well be suffering from an over exposure to EVE Online as a product. Immersion is all well and good but in this instance the ramifications of two players both with significant issues with respect to their perception of what is 'real' and has value have been far reaching.

I would hope that those who know Alex well, and who count themselves as his friends, will council him to at the very least take a break from EVE and to get a fresh perspective on who he is.

C.


THIS IS THE BIGGEST BULL I EVER READ! *cry* troubled player *cry* F U!

RPing?! YEAH SURE... FAMOUS Pooswarrm RP Corp...

So what you say is that its CCP's fault and that Mittany is free of any guilt, and that the mackinaw player just should have stayed away from EVE? is THAT it?!

WOW... I wonder how many other stupid MORONS are out there...

But I am sure, Alex be grateful for your ass kissing...


No, Im not saying that it is CCPs fault, or that Alex Gianturco is free of any guilt. What I am saying is that this entire storm resulted from the interaction between two players who, as far as we can judge, cant distinguish clearly between reality and an online game of pixels.

C.
Isabella300
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4367 - 2012-03-29 10:30:22 UTC
Enyeto Perah wrote:
Cailais wrote:
Enyeto Perah wrote:
Starcaller Dredg wrote:
http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE

Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.

He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down because it would benefit goonswarm.

He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face.

Run the Goons out of EVE.



THIS should be spread!


What this business demonstrates is what happens when one psychologically troubled player (the mackinaw player) impacts with another equally troubled player (Alex Gianturco).

What is abundantly clear is that Alex is having extreme difficulty differentiating his real life self from his alter ego virtual persona. It is deeply disturbing (to me at least) to see someone who is essentially suffering from what appears to be a form of a mental health disorder - a personality disorder specifically.

I would be interested in what plans CCP have to help or offer advice on what support players can receive who are in this unfortunate state of well being. That's not to say that I believe that CCP have an obligation to directly provide such support but alerting players to potential sources of advice would be a 'good thing'.

Im equally surprised that those at CCP did not recognise earlier the signs that Alex Gianturco could well be suffering from an over exposure to EVE Online as a product. Immersion is all well and good but in this instance the ramifications of two players both with significant issues with respect to their perception of what is 'real' and has value have been far reaching.

I would hope that those who know Alex well, and who count themselves as his friends, will council him to at the very least take a break from EVE and to get a fresh perspective on who he is.

C.


THIS IS THE BIGGEST BULL I EVER READ! *cry* troubled player *cry* F U!

RPing?! YEAH SURE... FAMOUS Pooswarrm RP Corp...

So what you say is that its CCP's fault and that Mittany is free of any guilt, and that the mackinaw player just should have stayed away from EVE? is THAT it?!

WOW... I wonder how many other stupid MORONS are out there...

But I am sure, Alex be grateful for your ass kissing...




Ass kissing ? .. you didn't really understand a single word he wrote did u ?!

Please read again and ask for translation if you dont know the meaning of his words.
Jita Alt666
#4368 - 2012-03-29 10:38:50 UTC
Momoyo wrote:
07 Mittani

Also I'm not sure but this is the longest thread I've ever seen here. Wonder if its a record breaker.


Biggest thread in new forum. The previous record was the WIS thread which took approximately 3 months to reach 200 pages, this thread took 3 days to pass that mark.

Space Drama >>> Space Dress Up.
Jita Alt666
#4369 - 2012-03-29 10:40:25 UTC
This thread has degenerated into Bob vs Goons terrible posting competition 2012
Jita Alt666
#4370 - 2012-03-29 10:41:21 UTC
Cultural victory goes both ways.
Enyeto Perah
#4371 - 2012-03-29 10:41:45 UTC
Isabella300 wrote:
Enyeto Perah wrote:
Cailais wrote:
Enyeto Perah wrote:
Starcaller Dredg wrote:
http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE

Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.

He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down because it would benefit goonswarm.

He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face.

Run the Goons out of EVE.



THIS should be spread!


What this business demonstrates is what happens when one psychologically troubled player (the mackinaw player) impacts with another equally troubled player (Alex Gianturco).

What is abundantly clear is that Alex is having extreme difficulty differentiating his real life self from his alter ego virtual persona. It is deeply disturbing (to me at least) to see someone who is essentially suffering from what appears to be a form of a mental health disorder - a personality disorder specifically.

I would be interested in what plans CCP have to help or offer advice on what support players can receive who are in this unfortunate state of well being. That's not to say that I believe that CCP have an obligation to directly provide such support but alerting players to potential sources of advice would be a 'good thing'.

Im equally surprised that those at CCP did not recognise earlier the signs that Alex Gianturco could well be suffering from an over exposure to EVE Online as a product. Immersion is all well and good but in this instance the ramifications of two players both with significant issues with respect to their perception of what is 'real' and has value have been far reaching.

I would hope that those who know Alex well, and who count themselves as his friends, will council him to at the very least take a break from EVE and to get a fresh perspective on who he is.

C.


THIS IS THE BIGGEST BULL I EVER READ! *cry* troubled player *cry* F U!

RPing?! YEAH SURE... FAMOUS Pooswarrm RP Corp...

So what you say is that its CCP's fault and that Mittany is free of any guilt, and that the mackinaw player just should have stayed away from EVE? is THAT it?!

WOW... I wonder how many other stupid MORONS are out there...

But I am sure, Alex be grateful for your ass kissing...




Ass kissing ? .. you didn't really understand a single word he wrote did u ?!

Please read again and ask for translation if you dont know the meaning of his words.


Isabella, I clearly understood what he said:

One player has psychological problems and should get help, and Mittani also has problems (however not psychological) (equally does NOT imply that he has also psychological, but also as big problems as the other one, be it from family, or just because he was drunk or whatever).

Alex has trouble with distinction between real-life and alter ego. HOWEVER: CCP should have recognised that, so in the end, it's CCPs fault, because they should have regognized it. OK, he does not believe CCP has an obligation, but he is surprised that CCP didnt tell Alex that he has problems. So not Alex' fault, but CCP, they should have told him!

He wishs Alex the best anyway.


So what he says is: POOR POOR Alex, BAD BAD CCP and the Mackinaw player is a psychologically troubled person.

Say NO to CCP-EA.

http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.
GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4372 - 2012-03-29 10:42:09 UTC
Miranda Etxebarria wrote:
Kajurei Delainen wrote:
I'll admit I watched The Mittani at FanFest CSM panel with disgust - he's a total douche bag. I'm not in his alliance, so I don't follow him.

Listening to Mittani on mumble comms tonight, reinforced that Mittani is not a person worth following. Instead of listening to those that told him he is wrong in his personal behavior and treatment of others, firing him from the CSM panel and banning him from the game. He instead makes the decision to lash out at the game, and orders his alliance to attack players in Jita.

His actions could cause people to quit eve, as they would think that CCP would allow the game to spiral out of control and allow hundreds of players to destroy everything within reach in the trade hub. If people quit the game - we won't have a game to play, hurting all of us.

It's self-destructive behavior - he destroyed his reputation, hurt the reputations of the CSM and CCP, and now looks to hurt the reputation of his own alliance. All of it because he advocated destroying a person through harrassing him to commit suicide.

It's not funny, it never was. Don't follow someone off a cliff - as his actions are clearly self-destructive.

The Mittani should quit eve, not out of rage, but out of guilt. Goonswarm started playing eve with the intent to wreck it, and they have, just like they did in the last game they set out to wreck. The Mittani has wrecked Eve-online's reputation with his vulgar displays on broadcast TV.

He has nothing to be proud of, nothing to show for his self-destructive behavior, absolutely nothing, and will be missed by no one.


Are you kidding me? Was the alliance panel awful? Sure. Should The Mittani be punished for his behavior? No doubt. Was his apology sincere? Don't know, don't care. But here you are, in a thread about TOS/EULA violations, already pissing and moaning about perfectly valid in-game behavior. Wait, let me rephrase that, about behavior that makes this game unique among dozens of generic MMO's. So, Mittens threatens to destroy Jita, a hub in high-sec, protected by CONCORD, sec-status hits and used by most pilots in the goddamn game? Then why don't you, rather than whine about people quitting the game, plan to do something about it?

I don't have any business with GSF or The Mittani. In fact, I'm a Jita trader, so I stand to lose significantly from any action against the hub. Still, reading some of the comments of people who try to link the alliance panel debacle to perfectly norman (and exciting) in-game behavior makes me an embarrased carebear.


A good post, from a Jita trader? The wonders never cease.
Kai Tel
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4373 - 2012-03-29 10:48:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Kai Tel
You know? Darius III (aka D3?) He's a CSM in good standing. Mittani? He is just a step shy of perma-banned and ranting madly to his dog at home about the death of Jita and taking vengance on carebears and CCP.... Who would have thought? You see before the election i took bets on who would go batshit crazy first and I got it wrong.
luZk
Fivrelde Corp
#4374 - 2012-03-29 11:05:04 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwLX2Wyl3-o

http://i.imgur.com/1dl4DM6.jpg
Ferocitane
Idlers'r'Us
#4375 - 2012-03-29 11:06:15 UTC
At current date there is no implant to filter all traffic between brain and mouth.
Noone intended incidents like this to happen, but it will happen again in the future on "Polarbeer" Fanfests again in the future.

I support the 1 month ban and being kicked from CSM the remaining period. But the next period too is a bit drastic.
Poster rage is non constructive for CSM.
mindblow
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4376 - 2012-03-29 11:08:24 UTC  |  Edited by: mindblow
All this was caused by a miner. Start looking over your sholder, carebears, we all hate you but Mittani wants you dead.


As most would say EVE is the place you grow to be what you'd want to be, in a game. EVE IS REAL, but does have its boundrys. Those boundries are very easy to cross when your mental health is.. well.. weak. The game will screw around with your mind and IT WILL interact with decisions you make in RL. This is a very rare scenario. The other one, as this thread shows, is that your RL will have an influence on your game play. In other words if you're a d!ck* IRL chances are very high you are a d!ck* ingame.

*the word "d!ck" to be replaced with "mittani" for the fun of argument.

Here I will quote my 1st post in this thread.

mindblow wrote:
" LIE

verb (used without object)

to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive

to express what is false; convey a false impression. "

This is what I think about your apologies. Your ego is big enough to step on everyone elses heads. Being a public figure, LIE, is a simple and very effective tool for you to express what eve players want to hear. And we wanted apologies. So here they are. Simple, isn't it? What makes it easy to see that it worked is the amount of pople who got decived.
We have a saying that a drunk man always tells the truth. I'll put you under that category, not because you were drunk but because the power got to you while under the effect of alcohol/drugs/hats.
There are many things to say about The, so called, Wiz, but dude you took it too far this time. CSM 6 Chairman resign and CSM 7 forefeit would make your post true BUT I'm pretty sure goons have a puppet you can control at anytime in CSM 7 so that is only a facade for the masses.

The EULA/TOS were breached and a ban has been issued. wow. That ban will stop you from doing that in the future FOR SURE.

Get in a ship and undock so we can kill you. That would work just fine for me.

best regards, LOL GOONS

mind.



Here I will quote the pastebin love note.


Starcaller Dredg wrote:
http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE

Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.

He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down because it would benefit goonswarm.

He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face.

Run the Goons out of EVE.





Darius III. HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA
Gilbert Intaki
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4377 - 2012-03-29 11:11:42 UTC


Time for The Mittani to be biomassed.
Rrroot
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4378 - 2012-03-29 11:12:51 UTC
So he got drunk and said something stupid, if people were going to get upset they shouldn't have let him take the stand to begin with. A lot of posters seem more concerned with hurting goons than actually feeling sorry for the emo kid. Its an mmo guys you're going to hear drunk people talk get over it. I only hope this incident doesn't bring about a Blizzard like level of PC enforcement.
Aurora B
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4379 - 2012-03-29 11:13:11 UTC
Quote:

Isabella, I clearly understood what he said:

One player has psychological problems and should get help, and Mittani also has problems (however not psychological) (equally does NOT imply that he has also psychological, but also as big problems as the other one, be it from family, or just because he was drunk or whatever).

Alex has trouble with distinction between real-life and alter ego. HOWEVER: CCP should have recognised that, so in the end, it's CCPs fault, because they should have regognized it. OK, he does not believe CCP has an obligation, but he is surprised that CCP didnt tell Alex that he has problems. So not Alex' fault, but CCP, they should have told him!

He wishs Alex the best anyway.


So what he says is: POOR POOR Alex, BAD BAD CCP and the Mackinaw player is a psychologically troubled person.



You can always blame someone else if your ****** enough.
Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#4380 - 2012-03-29 11:14:05 UTC
You know what's wrong about all this?

The political BS, if anyone here cared about the suicidal guy, that's using him to bash the goons with then you'd have dealt with this without spreading it all over the internet.

I am not condoning what Mittani did, stepping down was the right thing to do but let's be clear. the over reaction against him has also been just as damaging as his actions. I believe the ends (Mittani's removal from office) does not justify the means (dragging eve through the gutter in the gaming press).

If you find yourself saying 'well goons would have done it so we did it to them' then ask yourself who's won EVE ;)