EVE General Discussion

Hi.

In nullsec, we tend to take people's space, kill their titans, bubble their stations and staging towers. Their "game experience" is effectively disrupted as they are unable to evacuate assets which are forever trapped in a hostile station.

Doing the same in Jita by camping the undock with a pile of Tornadoes is not disruptive because nothing prevents you from shopping at a different market hub.

One baby screaming in a shopping mall is not much different to all the babies screaming in the a shopping mall.

Never would such a worthless solar system and worthless cluster of individuals ever endure a better partnership than this. Jita and Goons deserve each other, best friends forever, go to Jita, stay in Jita, never leave Jita.

I bet you get bored before we miss you.

Personally I cannot see what the Burn Jita stuff has to do with Mittani's behavior at the Fanfest or the consequences of that. Why do people fear CCP might attempt to stop it? Has CCP even hinted anything like that?

I do not think anyone (well, not many people anyway) thinks that the issue in the Mittanigate incident was the explosion of the mackinaws - it was in the way Mittani and goons responded to a mail from another player. CCP has by no means whatsoever hinted that they objected to the shooting the miner - only to how he was spoken about and to.

I can see CCP taking a close look at what goes on at Jita local chat during this event/campaign (if it happens). Bans might ensue for immature behavior, and I would be fine with that. But why would they attempt to stop the explosions themselves?

He's like a Jedi-ghost now!

Well it went from 'victory lap' in the form of Jita Interdiction to 'our attack against CONCORD' in the form of Jita Interdiction.

Different reasons for doing it, same outcome of the said reasons.

'Maybe' it might be a bit worse, but a majority of goons were already in anticipation of our impending assault on Hi-Sec.


I may be a goon, but I am a reasonable goon. To just brush off our interdiction on Jita is a bit 'off'. Banter is banter, but the results do not lie.

The Ice Interdiction was a good example of this. It doesn't matter what people think, the outcome was the price of ice increased heavily. Miners had to think 'outside the box' and plan alternate routes to reach the sacred Ice, or in some aspects, pay us 'protection' money to allow them to mine. This is a win for them because they had to think with more than a couple of brain cells to overcome this, leading to, no doubt, a somewhat good haul while the other close-minded miners continued to flounder.

We benefited because we weeded out the bad miners and the more clever-minded miners have learned to adapt,


I don't think the Jita Interdiction will have results too far from our Ice Interdiction, however, if this truly leads to new 'markets' opening up which is not Jita....well personally, I think that's a fantastic move for the game. It will bring the population to other territories, allowing people a better range which will undoubtedly help their wallets, instead of mind-numbing simple speculation at one 'major' market.


If that happens...well...I think people will appreciate it more than hate us for it.

The total asset power of GSF is a secret even to us goonies. Only the high command and our wonderful intelligence services truly knows the extent of our isk power.

The hypothesis that has to be tested is that CCP will step in to stop anything that creates enough of a public outcry and bad press - no matter the specifics.

Maybe the summer that saved EVE for the near term is going to be the catalyst of its demise in the mid/long-term - because we players learned that as long as we hit the right triggers (press, business partners, investors) CCP will give us whatever we want.

We can have 20% of CCP employees sacked if we want to, we can have important CCP projects like WiS and WoD put on ice indefinetely, we can have CSM members kicked and banned (*), it looks like we can change CCP's botting policies if we try hard enough (the "scarlet letter" thing would if implemented be the end of CCP's reform-oriented 3 strikes approach), maybe we can make high-sec safe, too?

I don't know how we, the players, will spin the Jita events - but there is a lot of frustration build up from the ice interdiction and a renewed sense of power after this mittani affair. If the Jita interdiction goes on successfully for more than a few days CCP has to expect a lot of heat from a large part of its playerbase and some clever guy will find a way to wrap the griefing into a press-friendly narrative.

(*) my understanding is that the mittani voluntarily stepped down from his chairman position but was forcefully removed from his CSM seat.

Actually Jimmy Tomkins Kungen (I'm taking that's what JTK stands for.) IT will be our win if a new hub emerges. For too long the speculators, the Eve-styled Bankers, the traders have trudged their way in making marketing and trading a 'zombie' profession. With only one market, there was no need to play to the people's tastes in where they want their goods and for what price.

With a new hub, it will force these speculators, the Eve-styled Bankers and traders to finally wake up from their long period of 'zombie hibernation' and to realize they ACTUALLY need to do more than just click a few buttons and dump their cargo at Jita.

I too listened to the SotG last night and I found myself 100% in support of this new, evil plan. I'm no supporter of Mittens or his Goons, but I DO support Eve and CCP not being taken over by the PC police and their corporate brethren. If CCP goes soft because they're now playing in the big leagues with the likes of Sony, this game will (and should) die a horrible death. Oh, sure, it may have a beeellion "mainstream" subscribers by then, but it will have entirely lost its soul for those who have been here before it was cool to play Eve.

Don't sell out CCP!

This might be true, but I do not see exploding a whole lotta ships in Jita causing bad press. Most people who would actually spaeak for EVE would say that it is part of the game. Hell, I threatened to quit if Mittani is not dealt with properly, and if people ganking other people in high-sec starts to cause a public outcry, I will be among the first out there to tell people to HTFU and educating the media about what EVE really is like. (Wherein "really" will obviously be defined by me, but that's the best anyone can do, eh?)

The only realistic (and not very likely one) way the bad press scenario might become through is if Goons totally botch it and fill Jita local chat by stuff that counts as bullying and OOC threats/taunts, and if either the Jita playerbase totally botches petitioning them and/or CCP totally botches responding to those petitions.

But the exploding ships themselves - no, I cannot really see them being a problem. Pretty much anyone with any brains left agrees that that kind of stuff is part of EVE. Possibly not our favourite part, and not a part I will bother supporting (I never go to Jita anyway, it's a silly place) but still. ;)


Upside is that if a bunch of idiots starts to hit the press with that express purpose, we can hit the press outing those bunch of idiots, and media will just love it. :P (CCP might not.)