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Josef Djugashvilis
#4341 - 2012-03-29 08:51:02 UTC
Jake Warbird....a well thought out and reasoned response.

But you should have stopped at the Ahhhhhhhh bit.

This is not a signature.

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4342 - 2012-03-29 08:55:11 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Jake Warbird....a well thought out and reasoned response.

But you should have stopped at the Ahhhhhhhh bit.


Jake Warbird wrote:

I'm not sure that's how voting works tbh. The candidate failed the voters. The bit that CCP forced him down will not hold water as he wanted to resign himself much earlier in this titanic hurfblurf threadnaught. Ofc,I'm no lawyer and there might be more it. Will just have to wait and see.


I did post what I thought.

Maybe you should check people who quote you?
mindblow
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#4343 - 2012-03-29 08:55:30 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Aurora B wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Aurora B wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Perhaps those who voted for mittens should be allowed to transfer their votes to the other candidates who stood for the CSM.


Eh why?



Because it would remove the main plank of the Goons - we have been disenfranchied - complaint, and for the simple reason that it would help give CSM7 more legitimacy.

It was Mittens who made a t*t of himself in Iceland, (and has been rightly punished) not those who voted for him.


So you voted the wrong guy and want to chance your vote now, that seems to be the cornerstone of all elections.



Here in the UK, if a member of parliament to forced to stand down, voters are given the opportunity to vote for a replacement member of parliament.

The MP is punished not the voters.

It would be the least bad option for CCP to take in my opinion.

The Goons cannot complain about being disenfranchised if they are allowed to transfer their votes to another CSM member.


No.
Josef Djugashvilis
#4344 - 2012-03-29 08:58:15 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Jake Warbird....a well thought out and reasoned response.

But you should have stopped at the Ahhhhhhhh bit.


Jake Warbird wrote:

I'm not sure that's how voting works tbh. The candidate failed the voters. The bit that CCP forced him down will not hold water as he wanted to resign himself much earlier in this titanic hurfblurf threadnaught. Ofc,I'm no lawyer and there might be more it. Will just have to wait and see.


I did post what I thought.

Maybe you should check people who quote you?



My sincere apologies if I have misunderstood you good sir

This is not a signature.

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4345 - 2012-03-29 09:03:16 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Jake Warbird....a well thought out and reasoned response.

But you should have stopped at the Ahhhhhhhh bit.


Jake Warbird wrote:

I'm not sure that's how voting works tbh. The candidate failed the voters. The bit that CCP forced him down will not hold water as he wanted to resign himself much earlier in this titanic hurfblurf threadnaught. Ofc,I'm no lawyer and there might be more it. Will just have to wait and see.


I did post what I thought.

Maybe you should check people who quote you?



My sincere apologies if I have misunderstood you good sir

No worries,mate. All good Smile
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Doomheim
#4346 - 2012-03-29 09:03:29 UTC
Hi sec must burn is the funniest thing ive heard in years


The plebs and there pets could not even hold down the ice systems. There were just to many miners.

Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words

Starcaller Dredg
Doomheim
#4347 - 2012-03-29 09:09:23 UTC
http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE

Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.

He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down because it would benefit goonswarm.

He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face.

Run the Goons out of EVE.

I will rise To dreams of freedom And avow To return the treason that came under your reign

Enyeto Perah
#4348 - 2012-03-29 09:13:18 UTC
Starcaller Dredg wrote:
http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE

Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.

He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down because it would benefit goonswarm.

He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face.

Run the Goons out of EVE.



THIS should be spread!

Say NO to CCP-EA.

http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.

Starcaller Dredg
Doomheim
#4349 - 2012-03-29 09:17:28 UTC
Enyeto Perah wrote:
Starcaller Dredg wrote:
http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE

Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.

He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down because it would benefit goonswarm.

He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face.

Run the Goons out of EVE.



THIS should be spread!



Spread the word.

I will rise To dreams of freedom And avow To return the treason that came under your reign

Anthemius Heb
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4350 - 2012-03-29 09:18:08 UTC
I didn't read the apology because a few days ago in the thread complaining about his actions he said "deal with it". This was on the first page of the thread when only a handful of people had posted. Now it's become clear that a lot of people are seriously pissed off about his actions his stance on the issue seems to have changed dramatically from "Deal with it" to "I'm ashamed of my actions, i soooooooo sorry".

Was it an attack of conscience that made him apologize or was it the realization that so many people were pissed off it might start to affect his chances of remaining head of the CSM and therefore his direct line to influencing CCP's game decisions for the benefit of his friends but at the expense of everybody else?
Sugar Von MurdererTits
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#4351 - 2012-03-29 09:20:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Sugar Von MurdererTits
The CSM is ****** to be honest. Won't bother voting next year.
Starcaller Dredg
Doomheim
#4352 - 2012-03-29 09:22:26 UTC
Anthemius Heb wrote:
I didn't read the apology because a few days ago in the thread complaining about his actions he said "deal with it". This was on the first page of the thread when only a handful of people had posted. Now it's become clear that a lot of people are seriously pissed off about his actions his stance on the issue seems to have changed dramatically from "Deal with it" to "I'm ashamed of my actions, i soooooooo sorry".

Was it an attack of conscience that made him apologize or was it the realization that so many people were pissed off it might start to affect his chances of remaining head of the CSM and therefore his direct line to influencing CCP's game decisions for the benefit of his friends but at the expense of everybody else?


His mentality has been prevalent for a long time. The goons think they are invincible because we allow them to be.

I will rise To dreams of freedom And avow To return the treason that came under your reign

Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4353 - 2012-03-29 09:22:48 UTC
Anthemius Heb wrote:
I didn't read the apology because a few days ago in the thread complaining about his actions he said "deal with it". This was on the first page of the thread when only a handful of people had posted. Now it's become clear that a lot of people are seriously pissed off about his actions his stance on the issue seems to have changed dramatically from "Deal with it" to "I'm ashamed of my actions, i soooooooo sorry".

Was it an attack of conscience that made him apologize or was it the realization that so many people were pissed off it might start to affect his chances of remaining head of the CSM and therefore his direct line to influencing CCP's game decisions for the benefit of his friends but at the expense of everybody else?

Also he attacked NPC Alts like myself! The outrage!
Sugar Von MurdererTits
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#4354 - 2012-03-29 09:24:05 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:

Also he attacked NPC Alts like myself! The outrage!


Your face fascinates me.
Anthemius Heb
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4355 - 2012-03-29 09:25:19 UTC
Jake Warbird wrote:
Anthemius Heb wrote:
I didn't read the apology because a few days ago in the thread complaining about his actions he said "deal with it". This was on the first page of the thread when only a handful of people had posted. Now it's become clear that a lot of people are seriously pissed off about his actions his stance on the issue seems to have changed dramatically from "Deal with it" to "I'm ashamed of my actions, i soooooooo sorry".

Was it an attack of conscience that made him apologize or was it the realization that so many people were pissed off it might start to affect his chances of remaining head of the CSM and therefore his direct line to influencing CCP's game decisions for the benefit of his friends but at the expense of everybody else?

Also he attacked NPC Alts like myself! The outrage!


I'm not an NPC alt. This is my only character.
Vampir Draken
Perkone
Caldari State
#4356 - 2012-03-29 09:27:27 UTC
I think the worst or best thing Mittens did here was to demonstrate why other, much more financially successful MMO's don't have a comparable players panel like the CSM
Why would I expect the CSM, comprised mainly of those who think miners and industrialists in game are meant to be harassed, bashed and disenfranchised of their own way of playing in the sandbox, to fairly represent all players. Despite many players of the game claiming it is a PVP game it isn't solely that
It is as described by CCP a sandbox, that includes PVE and PVP elements. Forcing someone in that sandbox to play the PVP game when they don't wish to is not allowing that PVE player to play in the sandbox the way they wish to

CCP run the game and they decide what is going to be or not going to be. These public statements by Mittens have exposed a dark and nasty part of EVE to the spotlight of publicity that can only in my opinion result in the dissolution of the CSM or a loss of future business for CCP

Players cannot completely separate their own personalities from the characters they play in game and Mittens has just shown that rather graphically. Either they bring their character personality into RL or they bring their RL character into the game, either way there is a mixture
Problem is newer players (hate that noob term, its used as an insult most the time) and prospective new players see this dark side bought out in this way and instead of them being gentled into the game and perhaps later enjoying either the PVE or PVP side, its to hell with that its too ugly I play a MMO to have fun not to be insulted and told to commit suicide. He has told my RL person on twitter to commit suicide and die and I feel that by posting comments like that on twitter even using The Mittani persona he is stepping outside the game into a public arena also, which is why I think this apology is just to save his own ass and that he is insincere. I just gave him back as good as, but I was aware that more sensitive people could have been disturbed by the comments

To believe Mittens apology genuine I will have to wait for his return and see if he, as Mittens, moderates his behaviour. But in his own words it is the character he plays that way so I doubt that will happen. So I feel I will continue to believe that his rl person plays out a dark side in game that although hidden perhaps in RL does break through occasionally and is a real part of his RL life
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4357 - 2012-03-29 09:31:30 UTC
Anthemius Heb wrote:
Jake Warbird wrote:
Anthemius Heb wrote:
I didn't read the apology because a few days ago in the thread complaining about his actions he said "deal with it". This was on the first page of the thread when only a handful of people had posted. Now it's become clear that a lot of people are seriously pissed off about his actions his stance on the issue seems to have changed dramatically from "Deal with it" to "I'm ashamed of my actions, i soooooooo sorry".

Was it an attack of conscience that made him apologize or was it the realization that so many people were pissed off it might start to affect his chances of remaining head of the CSM and therefore his direct line to influencing CCP's game decisions for the benefit of his friends but at the expense of everybody else?

Also he attacked NPC Alts like myself! The outrage!


I'm not an NPC alt. This is my only character.

I meant myself Ofc.

Also Sugar,m blushing can you tell?
Velyks
Free Real Estate
#4358 - 2012-03-29 09:31:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Velyks
Starcaller Dredg wrote:
http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE

Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.

He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down because it would benefit goonswarm.

He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face.

Run the Goons out of EVE.


The problem with people like you is that you're so jaded on the entire subject that no matter what action he took you wouldn't be satisfied with it.

"How dare he simply refuse the chair, he should be kicked off the whole CSM!"

"How dare he give up his CSM seat, he should be removed from the game!"

"How dare he only remove himself from the game, all of goonswarm should be removed!"

^ You


Edit: Page 221 snipz

http://i.imgur.com/JyLjl.jpg

Cailais
The Red Pill Taker Group
#4359 - 2012-03-29 09:34:41 UTC
Enyeto Perah wrote:
Starcaller Dredg wrote:
http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE

Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.

He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down because it would benefit goonswarm.

He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face.

Run the Goons out of EVE.



THIS should be spread!


What this business demonstrates is what happens when one psychologically troubled player (the mackinaw player) impacts with another equally troubled player (Alex Gianturco).

What is abundantly clear is that Alex is having extreme difficulty differentiating his real life self from his alter ego virtual persona. It is deeply disturbing (to me at least) to see someone who is essentially suffering from what appears to be a form of a mental health disorder - a personality disorder specifically.

I would be interested in what plans CCP have to help or offer advice on what support players can receive who are in this unfortunate state of well being. That's not to say that I believe that CCP have an obligation to directly provide such support but alerting players to potential sources of advice would be a 'good thing'.

Im equally surprised that those at CCP did not recognise earlier the signs that Alex Gianturco could well be suffering from an over exposure to EVE Online as a product. Immersion is all well and good but in this instance the ramifications of two players both with significant issues with respect to their perception of what is 'real' and has value have been far reaching.

I would hope that those who know Alex well, and who count themselves as his friends, will council him to at the very least take a break from EVE and to get a fresh perspective on who he is.

C.
Enyeto Perah
#4360 - 2012-03-29 09:41:55 UTC
Cailais wrote:
Enyeto Perah wrote:
Starcaller Dredg wrote:
http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE

Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.

He didn't step down because of his actions. He stepped down because it would benefit goonswarm.

He didn't apologize because he meant it. He apologized to save face.

Run the Goons out of EVE.



THIS should be spread!


What this business demonstrates is what happens when one psychologically troubled player (the mackinaw player) impacts with another equally troubled player (Alex Gianturco).

What is abundantly clear is that Alex is having extreme difficulty differentiating his real life self from his alter ego virtual persona. It is deeply disturbing (to me at least) to see someone who is essentially suffering from what appears to be a form of a mental health disorder - a personality disorder specifically.

I would be interested in what plans CCP have to help or offer advice on what support players can receive who are in this unfortunate state of well being. That's not to say that I believe that CCP have an obligation to directly provide such support but alerting players to potential sources of advice would be a 'good thing'.

Im equally surprised that those at CCP did not recognise earlier the signs that Alex Gianturco could well be suffering from an over exposure to EVE Online as a product. Immersion is all well and good but in this instance the ramifications of two players both with significant issues with respect to their perception of what is 'real' and has value have been far reaching.

I would hope that those who know Alex well, and who count themselves as his friends, will council him to at the very least take a break from EVE and to get a fresh perspective on who he is.

C.


THIS IS THE BIGGEST BULL I EVER READ! *cry* troubled player *cry* F U!

RPing?! YEAH SURE... FAMOUS Pooswarrm RP Corp...

So what you say is that its CCP's fault and that Mittany is free of any guilt, and that the mackinaw player just should have stayed away from EVE? is THAT it?!

WOW... I wonder how many other stupid MORONS are out there...

But I am sure, Alex be grateful for your ass kissing...

Say NO to CCP-EA.

http://pastebin.com/B7HCtBUE Mittani isn't sorry. He's just sorry that he got caught.