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Why GSF violates the EULA/TOS and should be removed from Eve

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Mutheer Lelmata'eb
Doomheim
#21 - 2012-03-29 06:19:33 UTC
The only reason Jita is a major trading hub is because players made it one.
Stuff could be bought and sold anywhere, but because it is Jita, that is where the most targets will be.
End thread.
Shogun Archer
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-03-29 06:20:22 UTC
You all do realize that if you don't have "bad guys", then you won't have "good guys" either right?

You'll end up with a bunch of useless handshaking muppets. I personally have never been affiliated with the Goons, have fought them on occasion, and have seen their "antics" first hand. I didn't particularly care for their personality traits as a whole, and for awhile kind of even despised them...

But holy hell, some of you peace loving empire dwellers are advocating genocide of the Goons. And we are supposed to belive that YOU are the righteous ones?

If you run into more than 2 a**holes in a day, you should probably look in the mirror.
Vaal Erit
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-03-29 06:21:43 UTC
Goonswarm close to die
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#24 - 2012-03-29 06:29:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Bride
Lots of logical fallacy "slippery slope" posts.

Goons are not the only "bad guys" in Eve. That's ridiculous to assert.

Goons are an organization based outside of Eve whose purpose in life is to make life on the games they play miserable for everyone but members of their own group. Their agenda is contrary to the TOS and amounts to cyber-bullying by their own leader's admission. They want to see as many people banned as possible. They want to destroy the economy if they can. I'm all for pvp in every form imaginable. However, when their goals are clearly prohibited by the TOS and contrary to the basic elements of the game itself, why should CCP sit back and pretend they deserve legitimacy?

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#25 - 2012-03-29 06:30:58 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
I have no problem with a group that wants to crush their enemies in the game, rule the universe, or even just have fun being asshats. But these things seem secondary to the Goons primary goals in Eve. They are “an alliance based around (f’ing) with people…what some would call cyber-bullying” according to their own leader. The alliance was, “shaped for the infliction of misery”. One of their stated goals (hopes) is to get players “banned for life”. Their latest goal is to “ruin everything” by ruining Jita.

How does this help make Eve a better game?


Lets ask the marketing department what they think of the actions of Goonswarm over the years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?list=PLDDA989F65CD6E98A&v=j9Ozvef7CvQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=3948s

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Pahineh Amelana
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-03-29 06:31:00 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making others’ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336

You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.
http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp

Quote:
"This entire situation made it obvious to me that I can no longer be an alliance leader of goonswarm which is an alliance based around ****ing with people, let's be honest...what some people would call cyber-bullying..."

http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-march
The Mittani – State of the Goonian, March 2012, 2:24

Quote:
Goonswarm was born of grief and shaped for the infliction of misery. Once exposed to it ourselves we adopted it, refined it, and loosed it upon the rest of Eve. We were seen as untrustworthy, vicious, and irrational. Any outsiders' discussion of us would feature the same few, furious, confused, desperate allegations: griefers, cheaters, hackers, scammers... To us, each was a compliment.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447025
Something Awful forums, Eve Goon recruitment thread

Quote:
You want to kill things and hurt people. Shush... I know you do: it's OK. Things that belong to real people who will usually be very upset, and will very often tell you so. If you are even moderately lucky then occasionally they will be so upset that they tell you that they will hunt you down and kill you, and you will then get them banned for life. Goonswarm is built to help Goons have fun in Eve. Fun just like this.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447025
Something Awful forums, Eve Goon recruitment thread

Quote:
I suspect that the cries of protest when we begin hitting Jita will make the Ice Interdiction sound like old Manilow tracks played through a de-tuned Muzak speaker at half volume in an elevator full of incontinent chimpanzees. Everyone uses Jita – alliances, humble traders, mega-jews, legions of market bots, you name it. Ice miners could escape our Interdiction by moving away, but ruining Jita will ruin, erm… everything. It will be like surrounding the New York Ѕtock Exchange, the Board of Trade, and the Federal Reѕerve with a ring of armored vehicles and shelling them all, simultaneously, until the entire economic system flies apart at the seams.

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/
Leaked GSF CEO Update

Someone please remind me... Why are goons "good for Eve" again?



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Ch3244
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2012-03-29 06:31:38 UTC
talking to locator agent now...
Mutheer Lelmata'eb
Doomheim
#28 - 2012-03-29 06:36:00 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
whose purpose in life is to make life on the games they play miserable for everyone but members of their own group.


I would like some examples of this.
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#29 - 2012-03-29 06:40:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Bride
Mutheer Lelmata'eb wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
whose purpose in life is to make life on the games they play miserable for everyone but members of their own group.


I would like some examples of this.


For example, griefing as many people as possible with the intent of making them so angry that they violate the EULA so they can be banned for life.

Quote:
You want to kill things and hurt people. Shush... I know you do: it's OK. Things that belong to real people who will usually be very upset, and will very often tell you so. If you are even moderately lucky then occasionally they will be so upset that they tell you that they will hunt you down and kill you, and you will then get them banned for life. Goonswarm is built to help Goons have fun in Eve. Fun just like this.


http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447025
Something Awful forums, Eve Goon recruitment thread

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Florestan Bronstein
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#30 - 2012-03-29 06:42:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Florestan Bronstein
Princess Bride wrote:
A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making others’ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336

You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.
http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp

Quote:
"This entire situation made it obvious to me that I can no longer be an alliance leader of goonswarm which is an alliance based around ****ing with people, let's be honest...what some people would call cyber-bullying..."

http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-march
The Mittani – State of the Goonian, March 2012, 2:24

Quote:
Goonswarm was born of grief and shaped for the infliction of misery. Once exposed to it ourselves we adopted it, refined it, and loosed it upon the rest of Eve. We were seen as untrustworthy, vicious, and irrational. Any outsiders' discussion of us would feature the same few, furious, confused, desperate allegations: griefers, cheaters, hackers, scammers... To us, each was a compliment.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447025
Something Awful forums, Eve Goon recruitment thread

Quote:
You want to kill things and hurt people. Shush... I know you do: it's OK. Things that belong to real people who will usually be very upset, and will very often tell you so. If you are even moderately lucky then occasionally they will be so upset that they tell you that they will hunt you down and kill you, and you will then get them banned for life. Goonswarm is built to help Goons have fun in Eve. Fun just like this.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447025
Something Awful forums, Eve Goon recruitment thread

Quote:
I suspect that the cries of protest when we begin hitting Jita will make the Ice Interdiction sound like old Manilow tracks played through a de-tuned Muzak speaker at half volume in an elevator full of incontinent chimpanzees. Everyone uses Jita – alliances, humble traders, mega-jews, legions of market bots, you name it. Ice miners could escape our Interdiction by moving away, but ruining Jita will ruin, erm… everything. It will be like surrounding the New York Ѕtock Exchange, the Board of Trade, and the Federal Reѕerve with a ring of armored vehicles and shelling them all, simultaneously, until the entire economic system flies apart at the seams.

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/
Leaked GSF CEO Update

Someone please remind me... Why are goons "good for Eve" again?

this is the best pro-mittens post I have read all day.

Princess Bride's piece relativizes The Mittani's actions by putting them into one logical context with actions and behaviors that are widely regarded as crucial for the niche success of EVE - all the while the author maintains the sarcastic pretense of supporting CCP in this discourse. The revelation of CCP's hypocrisy in its actions towards The Mittani is all the more scathing for its supposedly inadvertent nature. Masterfully done.
Mutheer Lelmata'eb
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-03-29 06:43:35 UTC
Nah, that's just bonus entertainment.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#32 - 2012-03-29 06:46:01 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
A grief player, or "griefer," is a player who devotes much of his time to making others’ lives miserable, in a large part deriving his enjoyment of the game from these activities while he does not profit from it in any way. Grief tactics are the mechanics a griefer will utilize to antagonize other players. At our discretion, players who are found to be consistently maliciously interfering with the game experience for others may receive a warning, temporary suspension or permanent banning of his account.
http://support.eveonline.com/Pages/KB/Article.aspx?id=336

You may not use “role-playing” as an excuse to violate these rules. While EVE Online is a persistent world, fantasy role-playing game, the claim of role-playing is not an acceptable defense for anti-social behavior. Role-playing is encouraged, but not at the expense of other player. You may not create or participate in a corporation or group that habitually violates this policy.
http://community.eveonline.com/pnp/terms.asp

Quote:
"This entire situation made it obvious to me that I can no longer be an alliance leader of goonswarm which is an alliance based around ****ing with people, let's be honest...what some people would call cyber-bullying..."

http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-march
The Mittani – State of the Goonian, March 2012, 2:24

Quote:
Goonswarm was born of grief and shaped for the infliction of misery. Once exposed to it ourselves we adopted it, refined it, and loosed it upon the rest of Eve. We were seen as untrustworthy, vicious, and irrational. Any outsiders' discussion of us would feature the same few, furious, confused, desperate allegations: griefers, cheaters, hackers, scammers... To us, each was a compliment.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447025
Something Awful forums, Eve Goon recruitment thread

Quote:
You want to kill things and hurt people. Shush... I know you do: it's OK. Things that belong to real people who will usually be very upset, and will very often tell you so. If you are even moderately lucky then occasionally they will be so upset that they tell you that they will hunt you down and kill you, and you will then get them banned for life. Goonswarm is built to help Goons have fun in Eve. Fun just like this.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3447025
Something Awful forums, Eve Goon recruitment thread

Quote:
I suspect that the cries of protest when we begin hitting Jita will make the Ice Interdiction sound like old Manilow tracks played through a de-tuned Muzak speaker at half volume in an elevator full of incontinent chimpanzees. Everyone uses Jita – alliances, humble traders, mega-jews, legions of market bots, you name it. Ice miners could escape our Interdiction by moving away, but ruining Jita will ruin, erm… everything. It will be like surrounding the New York Ѕtock Exchange, the Board of Trade, and the Federal Reѕerve with a ring of armored vehicles and shelling them all, simultaneously, until the entire economic system flies apart at the seams.

http://www.evenews24.com/2012/03/28/leak-gsf-ceo-update-clutching-pearls-and-finger-wagging/
Leaked GSF CEO Update

Someone please remind me... Why are goons "good for Eve" again?



Non consensual PvP in a game based on non-consensual pvp isn't "griefing".

The eve definition of "griefing" has supported this since the game launched, and fools like you have been exposing their ignorance on the forums for about that long.

Shush, you silly girl.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#33 - 2012-03-29 06:48:57 UTC
Mutheer Lelmata'eb wrote:
Nah, that's just bonus entertainment.


Getting players banned is a good thing for Eve?

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#34 - 2012-03-29 06:51:30 UTC
Malcanis wrote:


Non consensual PvP in a game based on non-consensual pvp isn't "griefing".


I'm all for non-consensual pvp. Love it. Do it all the time in many forms.

How is setting out with the purpose of getting random players banned legitimate pvp? How does that help Eve?

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Ivana Twinkle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#35 - 2012-03-29 06:52:57 UTC
Ban all goons

(Including CCP Soundwave and CCP Sreegs)
Lapine Davion
Outer Ring Applied Logistics
#36 - 2012-03-29 06:53:33 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Mutheer Lelmata'eb wrote:
Nah, that's just bonus entertainment.


Getting players banned is a good thing for Eve?


c, Getting you banned would be a great thing for Eve.

[b]Don't worry about posting with your main!  Post with your brain! "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."[/b]
Mutheer Lelmata'eb
Doomheim
#37 - 2012-03-29 06:54:47 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


Non consensual PvP in a game based on non-consensual pvp isn't "griefing".


I'm all for non-consensual pvp. Love it. Do it all the time in many forms.

How is setting out with the purpose of getting random players banned legitimate pvp? How does that help Eve?


As you and many others were so quick to point out, Mittani's actions and the consequences that followed were his own fault.
So to, is it the fault of other players who say/do things that go too far and get banned for them.
Red Templar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2012-03-29 06:57:59 UTC
I consider this thread harassment and griefing. So please go ahead and ban yourself.

[b]For Love. For Peace. For Honor.

For None of the Above.

For Pony![/b]
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#39 - 2012-03-29 06:59:08 UTC
Lapine Davion wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
Mutheer Lelmata'eb wrote:
Nah, that's just bonus entertainment.


Getting players banned is a good thing for Eve?


c, Getting you banned would be a great thing for Eve.


Your tears taste of honey. Are they from bees?

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/
Princess Bride
SharkNado
#40 - 2012-03-29 07:02:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Bride
Mutheer Lelmata'eb wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
Malcanis wrote:


Non consensual PvP in a game based on non-consensual pvp isn't "griefing".


I'm all for non-consensual pvp. Love it. Do it all the time in many forms.

How is setting out with the purpose of getting random players banned legitimate pvp? How does that help Eve?


As you and many others were so quick to point out, Mittani's actions and the consequences that followed were his own fault.
So to, is it the fault of other players who say/do things that go too far and get banned for them.


I see a distinction between someone who acts stupidly of their own accord (The Mittani) and someone who was intentionally pushed over the brink via harassment. Especially when they were harassed with the primary goal of seeing them break and provide an excuse to get them banned.

It's like a bully who pushes a kid repeatedly until they finally turn around and pop the bully in the nose. Then the bully runs to the teacher and tries to get the kid expelled for punching them.

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/