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Hey CCP, your legal department isn't doing you any favors.

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Misato Katsuragi
N. E. R. V.
#1 - 2012-03-29 04:59:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Misato Katsuragi
I honestly can't believe the stupid reaction you took in response to "that guy's" comments. Whoever is on your legal department needs to be fired. Any company with any sort of self preservation would have responded with a drastic form separation from "him".

Also, responding with a 30 ban? Do you guys not even watch the news? Check the world news and read about what go's on the UK and the US related to "Cyber-Bullying."

Here, let me help your legal department: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&q=cyber+bullying&oq=cyber+bul&aq=1&aqi=d1g1d1&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=1356l3778l0l5241l11l11l1l4l4l0l105l507l5.1l6l0

For the sake of your company and the game I love so much, wake up!

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Clarifying remarks: (Because I know people only read the first post)

As posted from #29:

" There's obviously a ton of laws on cyber bullying, harassment, etc. What I accept as "common knowledge" isn't as common as I thought.

I would have thought that people would have realized that they are laws against being **** bags against other people over the internet. And like I said before, those lines blurr between reality and gaming.

People like EVE because you can spend your time ******* around like a ******, scamming, looting, pillaging, and harassing other players.

Ironically enough, CCP allowed this behavior because it's fun, it's why we all play EVE. However, when this behavior crosses over into real life, CCP now suddenly realizes they have another PR problem.

This is probably a serious underlying issue that CCP may have stumbled over with gaming as a whole, and will probably only get much worse as time goes on.

Like I said, their lawyers and their composite risk management guys dropped the ball on this one."
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-03-29 05:03:31 UTC
http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-march

Hes gonna test them.

Showing that he has no freaking understanding that what he did was wrong and that he is still getting of light.

Listen to him pretty much try to not man up about taking responsibility for his own actions.

From the guys that scream HTFU. This is their leader. A man that would not HTFU when time came for him to do so and be a leader and be a man.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-03-29 05:03:32 UTC
Everyone on the internet has an opinion.

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg
Joseph Sulaco
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-03-29 05:06:21 UTC
Misato Katsuragi wrote:
I honestly can't believe the stupid reaction you took in response to "that guy's" comments. Whoever is on your legal department needs to be fired. Any company with any sort of self preservation would have responded with a drastic form separation from "him".

Also, responding with a 30 ban? Do you guys not even watch the news? Check the world news and read about what go's on the UK and the US related to "Cyber-Bullying."

Here, let me help your legal department: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&q=cyber+bullying&oq=cyber+bul&aq=1&aqi=d1g1d1&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=1356l3778l0l5241l11l11l1l4l4l0l105l507l5.1l6l0

For the sake of your company and the game I love so much, wake up!


GOGO INTERNET LAWYER MIGHT SPOUTING INTERNET LAWYER YEAH!

In the US Cyberbully laws only apply to those under the age of 18. Also I'm pretty sure the "target" or legal guardian/caretaker has to complain. Of course I am not one of those elite arm chair lawyers so it's possible I'm making **** up or have had bad sources.
Judge Solace
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-03-29 05:06:27 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
http://soundcloud.com/cptunderpants/state-of-the-goonion-march

Hes gonna test them.

Showing that he has no freaking understanding that what he did was wrong and that he is still getting of light.

Listen to him pretty much try to not man up about taking responsibility for his own actions.

From the guys that scream HTFU. This is their leader. A man that would not HTFU when time came for him to do so and be a leader and be a man.


He so mad. Oooh he so mad. He so pissed. And not from alcohol this time either.

Can someone from GSF ask him if he wears adult diapers and sucks his thumb?
Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-03-29 05:10:31 UTC
under the leadership of mitardi, the goons will bleed themself dry.
I suggest the goons band together and get rid of mitardi and find a new leader that will take them to fields full of flowers where they may collect nectar and produce it into heavenly honey.
Aiden Andraste
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-03-29 05:11:58 UTC
This thread is a literal goldmine of terrible people posting about terrible things that they know nothing about. Thrill yourselves all around and may God have mercy on your terrible souls.
Misato Katsuragi
N. E. R. V.
#8 - 2012-03-29 05:15:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Misato Katsuragi
Joseph Sulaco wrote:
Misato Katsuragi wrote:
I honestly can't believe the stupid reaction you took in response to "that guy's" comments. Whoever is on your legal department needs to be fired. Any company with any sort of self preservation would have responded with a drastic form separation from "him".

Also, responding with a 30 ban? Do you guys not even watch the news? Check the world news and read about what go's on the UK and the US related to "Cyber-Bullying."

Here, let me help your legal department: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&q=cyber+bullying&oq=cyber+bul&aq=1&aqi=d1g1d1&aql=&gs_sm=3&gs_upl=1356l3778l0l5241l11l11l1l4l4l0l105l507l5.1l6l0

For the sake of your company and the game I love so much, wake up!


GOGO INTERNET LAWYER MIGHT SPOUTING INTERNET LAWYER YEAH!

In the US Cyberbully laws only apply to those under the age of 18. Also I'm pretty sure the "target" or legal guardian/caretaker has to complain. Of course I am not one of those elite arm chair lawyers so it's possible I'm making **** up or have had bad sources.



Have at it:

California

PENAL CODE
SECTION 422-422.4



422. (a) Any person who willfully threatens to commit a crime which
will result in death or great bodily injury to another person, with
the specific intent that the statement, made verbally, in writing, or
by means of an electronic communication device, is to be taken as a
threat, even if there is no intent of actually carrying it out,
which, on its face and under the circumstances in which it is made,
is so unequivocal, unconditional, immediate, and specific as to
convey to the person threatened, a gravity of purpose and an
immediate prospect of execution of the threat, and thereby causes
that person reasonably to be in sustained fear for his or her own
safety or for his or her immediate family's safety, shall be punished
by imprisonment in the county jail not to exceed one year, or by
imprisonment in the state prison.

Fine, lets change the terminology to cyber harassment. Happy now?
Testerxnot Sheepherder
Get Isk or Die Mining
#9 - 2012-03-29 05:16:22 UTC
Aiden Andraste wrote:
This thread is a literal goldmine of terrible people posting about terrible things that they know nothing about. Thrill yourselves all around and may God have mercy on your terrible souls.



Dat post history o' yours.
SmilingVagrant
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-03-29 05:17:43 UTC
This just in. California is everywhere.
Joseph Sulaco
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-03-29 05:30:08 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
This just in. California is everywhere.


Exactly!

Neither CCP nor "that person" are subject to California's local laws. What about the "target" of this harassment? If he lives there then MAYBE you have a leg to stand on.

IIRC I'm going to tell someone to die in a fire tonight in local. Someone please call the internet police, and I don't mean CONCORD.
Misato Katsuragi
N. E. R. V.
#12 - 2012-03-29 05:33:36 UTC
Joseph Sulaco wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
This just in. California is everywhere.


Exactly!

Neither CCP nor "that person" are subject to California's local laws. What about the "target" of this harassment? If he lives there then MAYBE you have a leg to stand on.

IIRC I'm going to tell someone to die in a fire tonight in local. Someone please call the internet police, and I don't mean CONCORD.



I used it as a mere example. I forgot I'm arguing with the "EVE" forums. To hell with it. I made my point. Moving On.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2012-03-29 05:34:30 UTC
Speech good except for the throw me under the bus trying to guilt trip. He seriously didn't expect a temp ban?

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.
Joseph Sulaco
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-03-29 05:37:01 UTC
Misato Katsuragi wrote:
Joseph Sulaco wrote:
SmilingVagrant wrote:
This just in. California is everywhere.


Exactly!

Neither CCP nor "that person" are subject to California's local laws. What about the "target" of this harassment? If he lives there then MAYBE you have a leg to stand on.

IIRC I'm going to tell someone to die in a fire tonight in local. Someone please call the internet police, and I don't mean CONCORD.



I used it as a mere example. I forgot I'm arguing with the "EVE" forums. To hell with it. I made my point. Moving On.


No I think the issue is you failed to make a point. Or rather your point was here >.< and the issue is over there ----------->
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-03-29 05:37:21 UTC
SmilingVagrant wrote:
This just in. California is everywhere.



This just in, you are subject to the laws of the US even abroad.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-03-29 05:38:16 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
Speech good except for the throw me under the bus trying to guilt trip. He seriously didn't expect a temp ban?



I think its all just an amazingly childish tantrum he is throwing.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Tobias Sjodin
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-03-29 05:39:14 UTC
Was your point that you are an overreacting drama-queen/quasi Internets-lawyer?

As much as I dislike the goons, this whole thing has been vastly thrown out of proportion.

Ronald Reagan: I do not like Sweden, they support communism. Minister: Sir, but Sweden are anti-communist, Sir.  Ronald Reagan: I do not care what kind of communists they are.
Misato Katsuragi
N. E. R. V.
#18 - 2012-03-29 05:42:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Misato Katsuragi
Alexander Gianturco
United States
Personal web page

The Mittani
GoonWaffe(GEWNS)
Goonswarm Federation(CONDI)


http://community.eveonline.com/council/voting/votingResults.asp

Last time I checked, an American is subject to American laws.

Take care, good night.
Serene Repose
#19 - 2012-03-29 05:43:54 UTC
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1031536#post1031536
Cyber bullying? Icelandic lawyering? Take a look at Iceland's media law. See if any of this sort of FITS under it.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Xander Riggs
Slamtown Federation
#20 - 2012-03-29 05:45:45 UTC
Tobias Sjodin wrote:
Was your point that you are an overreacting drama-queen/quasi Internets-lawyer?

As much as I dislike the goons, this whole thing has been vastly thrown out of proportion.


This. I started playing Eve to kill Goons, and now I'm inadvertantly thrust to their side of the issue because the rest of the carebears can't find room in their panties for their freshly descended testicles and are just in the WORST mood about it.

"A man with a drone-boat has nothing but time on his hands."
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