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Jita Will Not Burn

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Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-03-29 00:38:21 UTC
So the Goons want to do a suicide interdiction of Jita.

In past 24 hours Jita had 45000 jumps.

Lets half that for number of unique players. That gives us 22,500 jumps.

Lets figure 10% of those are "high value targets" (I'd personally put the number at more like 20% but ok). That means an average of 94 high value jump ins an hour

Lets figure the goons want to kill at least 10% of that number. We'll make this 10 deaths an hours.

Jita is a 0.9 system. A ship can normally get off one, but not two, volleys before getting concorded.

A T2 fit tornado Alphas about 11K with all skills V. A T1 fit alphas around 8000. A freighter has 200,000 EHP requiring 25 ships for the kill. A freighter has less EHP than a properly tanked Orca (by far the most common ship type around Jita these days).

This gives a minimum T1 fit op tempo of at least 250 ships/hour or 6000 ships/day. Assuming a cost of 50m ship this will give us a daily burn rate of 3 Trillion isk/day. Some of this will be offset by loot drops. Lets say half. The goon supposedly have a monthly income of around 1.5 trillion. If they have saved for this for six months, then burn Jita could run for about six days.

Keep in mind this is assuming a low ball ship costs, max skills and a descent recovery rate. All of this to blow up one in every hundred ships heading into Jita.

Conclusion: In a fight between the goons and the market, bet on the market.
OfBalance
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-03-29 00:39:58 UTC
You're assuming that your opponent cares about loosing isk.
Liberty Eternal
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-03-29 00:46:30 UTC
OfBalance wrote:
You're assuming that your opponent cares about loosing isk.


From what I've seen, Goons take this game way more seriously than anyone else. So it's likely that they do care about losing isk.

Also, all those ships etc have to be bought from somewhere. I wonder where...
Rengerel en Distel
#4 - 2012-03-29 00:49:38 UTC
You can find killmails where it takes less than a dozen ships to kill a freighter. If their whole alliance and other griefers really want to destroy everyone, they'll do it. They'll make the isk back just controlling the markets in the other regions.

With the increase in shiptoasting, the Report timer needs to be shortened.

Aurel Svenson
Cyclone Solutions
#5 - 2012-03-29 00:50:04 UTC
Liberty Eternal wrote:
OfBalance wrote:
You're assuming that your opponent cares about loosing isk.


From what I've seen, Goons take this game way more seriously than anyone else. So it's likely that they do care about losing isk.

Also, all those ships etc have to be bought from somewhere. I wonder where...


Wooo, business! :D (Though the guy I'm selling to has the right to only take part of the order, boo @ agreements).
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#6 - 2012-03-29 00:50:43 UTC
Jas Dor wrote:
In past 24 hours Jita had 45000 jumps.





Half it for jumping in, and jumping out. Probably not too many people passing through, so we can ignore that.

So a cap of 22,500 players.

But you'll have a bunch of those being freighters doing runs. so you'll have to reduce it further.


And if they start up an interdiction, people will stay away, rather than risk losing their freighter. BRs, maybe. Maybe.

So stocks will fall. So the number of people turning up will fall. (and people being ganked will stay way. And spread that word)

It's doable.


Will it last? Probably not. They move out, people return. The position is convenient. But it's doable short term. I don't doubt that.

Woo! CSM XI!

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corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#7 - 2012-03-29 00:55:45 UTC
You're cute.

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#8 - 2012-03-29 01:39:45 UTC
They will dilate the system on entry.
My guess is they will hit the IV 4 station and anything they can get a lock on between dilation and that target.
Sturmwolke
#9 - 2012-03-29 01:55:48 UTC
It's not really an issue per se. Just run logi escort fleet if you really need to get through.
May even drum up temp business for corps does the escort service.

Amarr's not that far away anyway, it'll serve as backup hub in the remote case SHTF.
They can't keep it up forever.

Now the next question here, who's profiting?
Darth Tickles
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-03-29 02:07:06 UTC
I'm an the fence about its success.

Regardless, your analysis is way off. How much of what do they need to kill to shut down traffic? Answer that, then see if they can do it.

Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-03-29 02:28:57 UTC
Rengerel en Distel wrote:
You can find killmails where it takes less than a dozen ships to kill a freighter. If their whole alliance and other griefers really want to destroy everyone, they'll do it. They'll make the isk back just controlling the markets in the other regions.



Yes, it take less than a dozen T2 fit ships to kill a freighter in a 0.5 system where each attacking ship can cycle its guns twice. That is a large difference from a 0.9 system with concord on grid. Also I am assuming T1 fits as I don't think an invention based supply chain can keep up with that op tempo (could be wrong on that).

The Mittani has called for 1,800 fit tornados. Assuming a T2 fit that will allow him to kill 90 freighter in Jita. That'll be an hour of glory but it'll hardly burn Jita to the ground. Hell, even if the goon decided to use those ships to get one ship/one shot kills on industrials they could not even kill 10% of one days total traffic through Jita.

Whomever thought this up failed to look at the jump totals for Jita on Dotlan.
Revii Lagoon
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-03-29 02:31:17 UTC
~Jita shall burn~

~Deal with it~
Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-03-29 02:42:49 UTC
Revii Lagoon wrote:
~Jita shall burn~

~Deal with it~


Those jump numbers include a Tuesday and a patch. I expect your announcement will be good for Orca sales, nothing more.
Lenrir Andven
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-03-29 02:45:56 UTC
Liberty Eternal wrote:
OfBalance wrote:
You're assuming that your opponent cares about loosing isk.


From what I've seen, Goons take this game way more seriously than anyone else. So it's likely that they do care about losing isk.

Also, all those ships etc have to be bought from somewhere. I wonder where...


We are given money for getting our ships horribly burned and destroyed into space dust.

You are far...way far...from the truth citizen.
Raiz Nhell
State War Academy
Caldari State
#15 - 2012-03-29 03:02:31 UTC
Jita might not burn... But its going to be fun watching the fire starters...

I just hope that it actually happens, cause I have my doubts...

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.

Ave Volta
Perkone
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-03-29 03:13:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Ave Volta
I don't care who's ships and being blown up at a greater rate. It's all good for the economy Twisted

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Jas Dor
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-03-29 03:44:54 UTC
Ave Volta wrote:
I don't care who's ships and being blown up at a greater rate. It's all good for the economy Twisted


Did you really mean to post that under the corp/alliance ticker that you used?
Shar Tegral
#18 - 2012-03-29 05:00:19 UTC
Ave Volta wrote:
I don't care who's ships and being blown up at a greater rate. It's all good for the economy Twisted
Jas Dor wrote:
Did you really mean to post that under the corp/alliance ticker that you used?

If she didn't I'll be happy to sign the statement.

Don't care whose ships are being blown up at a greater rate.
Unlike real life, it actually is good for the economy.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#19 - 2012-03-29 05:06:04 UTC
Sturmwolke wrote:
It's not really an issue per se. Just run logi escort fleet if you really need to get through.
May even drum up temp business for corps does the escort service.

Amarr's not that far away anyway, it'll serve as backup hub in the remote case SHTF.
They can't keep it up forever.

Now the next question here, who's profiting?


Lol

You don't understand the concept of "massive alpha", do you?

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enterprisePSI
#20 - 2012-03-29 05:31:38 UTC
I support any force that brings destruction in Eve.

The tears of the many, outweigh the tears of the few. Or the one. enterprise-psiĀ©

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