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Can the GMs read minds now?
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Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#21 - 2012-03-29 02:39:03 UTC
So Sensational wrote:
Is it against the EULA to tell other players to attack another player?
Is it against the EULA to tell other players to send messages to other players? Do we not usually tell people to simply ignore those they don't wish to speak to?

How can the motivation or intentions of these actions change wheter or not they're a bannable offense? Will the GMs read minds to figure out who is actually trying to harm their opponents? Why are we condemning someone for asking his spacefriends to engage in the very core concepts of EVE Online, destroying other players?

Why? Because he might have had sinister intentions (Despite how this portion was clearly a drunken remark, a joke)? Thought Police 2012?


It wasn't the character Mittani advocated destroying -- he openly suggested that other people write letters to convince someone to commit suicide. Not to mention that, should the letters be sent into the US or inter-state, it becomes a violation of Federal law, and the FBI does not consider 'it was just a game' to be a valid defense.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....
So Sensational
Ventures
#22 - 2012-03-29 02:40:52 UTC  |  Edited by: So Sensational
Montevius Williams wrote:

Wow, really guy? If you dont get it now, I dont think we can help ya. You might as well go back to WoW.

It's hilarious that you suggest that, considering that the actions that have been taken, that you support, is another step in the line of turning EVE into another cookie cutter experience.

Montevius Williams wrote:

If you had a brother/sister or whatever that played EVE and Mitanni stated that he wanted to make them commit suicide in public for the whole EVE world and MMO world to see/read, what would you do? Laugh it off and say "HAHAH, thats EVE for ya!"?

That's pretty much what I would say, yes. I'd laugh at the crazy sociopath, not that I genuinely believe that Mittani wants anyone to commit suicide because of something he jokingly said during a drunken rant, in an enviroment where such behavior is practically encouraged because it entertains the audience.

His motivation is not relevant, as long as he sticks to completely legit ingame actions, actions that are a part of the core EVE experience. There should be no ban nor a manhunt of any sort. Most importantly this public outcry by a few loud haters has basically compromised the democratic process that gave us a CSM which practically saved this game last year.
Astrid Stjerna wrote:
he openly suggested that other people write letters to convince someone to commit suicide.

That never happened, on camera at least.
Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-03-29 02:41:25 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Aranakas wrote:
Coordinated long-term harassment against a single player, for the purpose of ruining their game experience is bannable.

Mittani advocated for that.

Is that really so hard to understand?



If your a goon and goon pet it is apparently.


Your name is awesome. I take it you are some kind of professional purveyor of makeup products in game?
Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-03-29 02:43:26 UTC
Also, for the record, if someone told my brother/sister to commit suicide in a video game and she did it I would be hideously angry...





...at my brother/sister, for being a moron.
Cyprus Black
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-03-29 02:50:35 UTC
Aranakas wrote:
Coordinated long-term harassment against a single player, for the purpose of getting him to kill himself is bannable.

Mittani advocated for that.

Fixed

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So Sensational
Ventures
#26 - 2012-03-29 02:53:39 UTC  |  Edited by: So Sensational
RougeOperator wrote:
Aranakas wrote:
Coordinated long-term harassment against a single player, for the purpose of ruining their game experience is bannable.

Mittani advocated for that.

Is that really so hard to understand?



If your a goon and goon pet it is apparently.

I'm not a Goon pet btw, I didn't even vote for The Mittani. The closest thing I've had to that experience is laughing my ass off at the Burger King Menu thread in the SA Comedy Goldmine. That and having some dude try to scam me out of my ISK by claiming that he was the head of the Goonswarm Rental Programme.

I'm just not a fan of mindless sheep jumping on some bandwagon, crusading for a cause they don't even understand.
Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-03-29 02:59:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Aranakas
So Sensational wrote:

I'd love to see you bring that to court. "They killed him in a video game, they're responsible for his suicide. Lethal Injection sir, I call for the death penalty".


You can look it up if you want. No matter what media, harassment is harassment and the person is responsible for his actions. Blowing up a spaceship isn't harassment. Telling a group of people to verbally goad someone into suicide is.

Are you dense or something? This is an easy concept.

Aranakas CEO of Green Anarchy Green vs Green
Souvera Corvus
Buena Vista Social Club.
#28 - 2012-03-29 03:01:59 UTC
So Sensational wrote:
That never happened, on camera at least.


Quote:
“if you want to make the guy go kill himself, his name is [[REDACTED]], it’s [[NAME SPELLED OUT]]… He has his own corp. Find him.”


Question
So Sensational
Ventures
#29 - 2012-03-29 03:05:18 UTC  |  Edited by: So Sensational
Aranakas wrote:
So Sensational wrote:

I'd love to see you bring that to court. "They killed him in a video game, they're responsible for his suicide. Lethal Injection sir, I call for the death penalty".


You can look it up if you want. No matter what media, harassment is harassment and the person is responsible for his actions. Blowing up a spaceship isn't harassment. Telling a group of people to harass someone into suicide is.

Are you dense or something? This is an easy concept.

Again, watch the stream or read the quote. He never told a group of people to do anything. "If you want to make this guy kill himself, his name is X, find him" does not equate to harassing someone, to telling anyone to harass someone, or anything even remotely close to that.

Again, if you read between the lines the furthest you could go is that he encouraged someone to blow up spaceships or possibly message the player . As you said, not illegal. And as I said, not against the EULA.


Throwing someone under the bus to save your dirty corporate face is something we usually dislike, but because it happened to a much disputed public figure people embraced it and even championed it as the rightful thing to do. Despicable.

Souvera Corvus wrote:
So Sensational wrote:
That never happened, on camera at least.


Quote:
“if you want to make the guy go kill himself, his name is [[REDACTED]], it’s [[NAME SPELLED OUT]]… He has his own corp. Find him.”


Question

Nothing in that sentence can be called "encouraging people to write a letter (or message) to convince someone to commit suicide".

If X wants to do something and I enable him to do it, that does not mean I'm encouraging him to do it. It can, in this case, nope.

Again, for the third time. The furthest you could go by reading between the lines is that he's telling people to go blow up this guy's spaceships. EULA breach? Nope, no matter the motivation.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#30 - 2012-03-29 03:10:03 UTC
So Sensational wrote:
Aranakas wrote:
So Sensational wrote:

I'd love to see you bring that to court. "They killed him in a video game, they're responsible for his suicide. Lethal Injection sir, I call for the death penalty".


You can look it up if you want. No matter what media, harassment is harassment and the person is responsible for his actions. Blowing up a spaceship isn't harassment. Telling a group of people to harass someone into suicide is.

Are you dense or something? This is an easy concept.

Again, watch the stream or read the quote. He never told a group of people to do anything. "If you want to make this guy kill himself, his name is X, find him" does not equate to harassing someone, to telling anyone to harass someone, or anything even remotely close to that.

Again, if you read between the lines the furthest you could go is that he encouraged someone to blow up spaceships or possibly message the player . As you said, not illegal. And as I said, not against the EULA.


Throwing someone under the bus to save your dirty corporate face is something we usually dislike, but because it happened to a much disputed public figure people embraced it and even championed it as the rightful thing to do. Despicable.

If the guy did commit suicide, the Mittani would be legally culpable (at least in the US).

And if CCP says that this was a breach of the EULA/TOS, then guess what, it is.
So Sensational
Ventures
#31 - 2012-03-29 03:15:40 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:

If the guy did commit suicide, the Mittani would be legally culpable (at least in the US).

And if CCP says that this was a breach of the EULA/TOS, then guess what, it is.

Absolute bullshit. You'd get laughed out of court.

If CCP says this is a breach then they're setting a new precedent. Are they really doing this? I doubt it, it's PR damage control and nothing more. The implications it would have on the EVE universe if it was actually the new paradigm is far worse than anything 2011 brought. Luckily, it seems they actually "get EVE" these days.
Souvera Corvus
Buena Vista Social Club.
#32 - 2012-03-29 03:16:55 UTC
So Sensational wrote:
Ridiculous and deliberate misinterpretation


I thought your first post was dumb and then I read this one and thought you were a genius.

Quote:
“if you want to make the guy go kill himself, his name is [[REDACTED]], it’s [[NAME SPELLED OUT]]… He has his own corp. Find him.”


Whilst we can debate the nature of the punishment and the basis upon which it was meted out, no-one least of all Mittens himself has attempted to twist this statement quite in the way you have.
So Sensational
Ventures
#33 - 2012-03-29 03:19:01 UTC  |  Edited by: So Sensational
Souvera Corvus wrote:

... and then I read this one and thought you were a genius.

Well at least we can agree on something.

I don't really have to twist anything though, the quoted sentence literally doesn't say what this entire shitstorm is built on.
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