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So Sensational
Ventures
#1 - 2012-03-29 01:45:19 UTC  |  Edited by: So Sensational
Is it against the EULA to tell other players to attack another player?
Is it against the EULA to tell other players to send messages to other players? Do we not usually tell people to simply ignore those they don't wish to speak to?

How can the motivation or intentions of these actions change wheter or not they're a bannable offense? Will the GMs read minds to figure out who is actually trying to harm their opponents? Why are we condemning someone for asking his spacefriends to engage in the very core concepts of EVE Online, destroying other players?

Why? Because he might have had sinister intentions (Despite how this portion was clearly a drunken remark, a joke)? Thought Police 2012?
Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2012-03-29 01:48:23 UTC
Coordinated long-term harassment against a single player, for the purpose of ruining their game experience is bannable.

Mittani advocated for that.

Is that really so hard to understand?

Aranakas CEO of Green Anarchy Green vs Green
Pillowtalk
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-03-29 01:49:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Pillowtalk
So Sensational wrote:
Is it against the EULA to tell other players to attack another player?
Is it against the EULA to tell other players to send messages to other players? Do we not usually tell people to simply ignore those they don't wish to speak to?

How can the motivation or intentions of these actions change wheter or not they're a bannable offense? Will the GMs read minds to figure out who is actually trying to harm their opponents? Why are we condemning someone for asking his spacefriends to engage in the very core concepts of EVE Online, destroying other players?

Why? Because he might have had sinister intentions (Despite how this portion was clearly a drunken remark, a joke)?


I am going to respond to you as you would respond to me if I came here and whined about anything....



Mmmmmmm delicious tears. So delicious. I am going to go get bounty scott towels because they are the most absorbent, and use them to absorb all of your delicious tears, and then I am going to ring them out into a gold chalice. I am then going to put the semi dry towels between my cheeks and gums for the next week so the delicious taste is with me all day long. Then, after your tears in the golden chalice are refrigerated to a perfect 32.1 degrees I am going to sip them while listening to classical music while imagining how bitter and painful all of this must be for you!


How did I do?

Don't violence me bro!
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#4 - 2012-03-29 01:49:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Doc Fury
You should petition this from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.

Especially since the details of punitive actions between CCP and players are not disclosed on the forums.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-03-29 01:51:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Aranakas
Pillowtalk wrote:
So Sensational wrote:
Is it against the EULA to tell other players to attack another player?
Is it against the EULA to tell other players to send messages to other players? Do we not usually tell people to simply ignore those they don't wish to speak to?

How can the motivation or intentions of these actions change wheter or not they're a bannable offense? Will the GMs read minds to figure out who is actually trying to harm their opponents? Why are we condemning someone for asking his spacefriends to engage in the very core concepts of EVE Online, destroying other players?

Why? Because he might have had sinister intentions (Despite how this portion was clearly a drunken remark, a joke)?


I am going to respond to you as you would respond to me if I came here and whined about anything....



Mmmmmmm delicious tears. So delicious. I am going to go get bounty scott towels because they are the most absorbent, and use them to absorb all of your delicious tears, and then I am going to ring them out into a gold chalice. I am then going to put the semi dry towels between my cheeks and gums for the next week so the delicious taste is with me all day long. Then, after your tears in the golden chalice are refrigerated to a perfect 32.1 degrees I am going to sip them while listening to classical music while imagining how bitter and painful all of this must be for you!


How did I do?


I'm going to buy a wine cellar, collect all the tears in a massive barrel, age them for 20 years; then on the anniversary of this great occasion, will gather around all Goons and hold a toast. They will drink these vintage tears and comment on the bitterness and the anguish that went into them. Then... at the end of the ceremony, I will make a shocking announcement:

They had been drinking their own tears this whole time.

Aranakas CEO of Green Anarchy Green vs Green
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-03-29 01:52:53 UTC
Aranakas wrote:
Coordinated long-term harassment against a single player, for the purpose of ruining their game experience is bannable.

Mittani advocated for that.

Is that really so hard to understand?



If your a goon and goon pet it is apparently.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
So Sensational
Ventures
#7 - 2012-03-29 01:52:57 UTC  |  Edited by: So Sensational
Aranakas wrote:
Coordinated long-term harassment against a single player, for the purpose of ruining their game experience is bannable.

How do you define that? The so called purpose lies entirely in the motivation of the player conducting the "harassment". The purpose might as well be "having fun". Again, Thought Police 2012?

We all (Well those of us who play EVE Online as opposed to LvL 4s Online) regularly target specific players and grief them until their ingame achievements are completely ruined. Null sec mechanics are literally built on this principle.
Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-03-29 01:56:31 UTC
So Sensational wrote:
Aranakas wrote:
Coordinated long-term harassment against a single player, for the purpose of ruining their game experience is bannable.

How do you define that? The so called purpose lies entirely in the motivation of the player conducting the "harassment". The purpose might as well be "having fun". Again, Thought Police 2012?

We all (Well those of us who play EVE Online as opposed to LvL 4s Online) regularly target specific players and grief them until their ingame achievements are completely ruined. Null sec mechanics are literally built on this principle.


Null sec is business. There's money in those moons and if someone's in your way, you have a reason to kill them.

A random miner having a 1.1 bil out-of-game bounty for no reason other than it's funny to **** them over? That's a whole other story.

Aranakas CEO of Green Anarchy Green vs Green
Serene Repose
#9 - 2012-03-29 01:59:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Serene Repose
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1031536#post1031536 Have a taste of Icelandic media law. As CCP has an HQ in Stone Mountain, Georgia (US), a reporter from the Atlanta Journal Consitution is investigating to see if any laws of the State of Georgia have been violated. EULA? People need to get a sense of proportion about what "really" happened.

We must accommodate the idiocracy.
Souvera Corvus
Buena Vista Social Club.
#10 - 2012-03-29 01:59:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Souvera Corvus
So Sensational wrote:
Aranakas wrote:
Coordinated long-term harassment against a single player, for the purpose of ruining their game experience is bannable.

How do you define that? The so called purpose lies entirely in the motivation of the player conducting the "harassment". The purpose might as well be "having fun". Again, Thought Police 2012?

We all (Well those of us who play EVE Online as opposed to LvL 4s Online) regularly target specific players and grief them until their ingame achievements are completely ruined. Null sec mechanics are literally built on this principle.


Way to miss the planetary-sized point that just lumbered past your cabbage patch.

Some of us who play eve-online, as opposed to whatever you believe you're playing, think that publicly harassing another player at a CCP sponsored event and encouraging others to do so, in the belief that said players mental state might well cause him to commit suicide, isn't 'fun'.

The very fact that the Mittani saw fit to apolgise would indicate he didn't think so either and for my part I thought he was sincere.

He apologised, we all move on and you park your griefer mentality somewhere warm.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2012-03-29 02:04:15 UTC  |  Edited by: RougeOperator
Souvera Corvus wrote:
So Sensational wrote:
Aranakas wrote:
Coordinated long-term harassment against a single player, for the purpose of ruining their game experience is bannable.

How do you define that? The so called purpose lies entirely in the motivation of the player conducting the "harassment". The purpose might as well be "having fun". Again, Thought Police 2012?

We all (Well those of us who play EVE Online as opposed to LvL 4s Online) regularly target specific players and grief them until their ingame achievements are completely ruined. Null sec mechanics are literally built on this principle.


Way to miss the planetary-sized point that just lumbered past your cabbage patch.

Some of us who play eve-online, as opposed to whatever you believe you're playing, think that publicly harassing another player at a CCP sponsored event and encouraging others to do so, in the belief that said players mental state might well cause him to commit suicide, isn't 'fun'.

The very fact that the Mittani saw fit to apolgise would indicate he didn't think so either and for my part I thought he was sincere.

He apologised, we all move on and you park your griefer mentality somewhere warm.



The fact people think most eve players are sociopaths is an image crafted by the people supporting the mittani and the mittani himself. Yet most of the players never bother anyone and are happy just doing their own thing.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
So Sensational
Ventures
#12 - 2012-03-29 02:09:19 UTC  |  Edited by: So Sensational
Aranakas wrote:

Null sec is business. There's money in those moons and if someone's in your way, you have a reason to kill them.

A random miner having a 1.1 bil out-of-game bounty for no reason other than it's funny to **** them over? That's a whole other story.

Who are you to dictate what reasons I'm allowed to have for engaging in any form of gameplay? Again, Thought Police 2012?
Souvera Corvus wrote:

Way to miss the planetary-sized point that just lumbered past your cabbage patch.

Some of us who play eve-online, as opposed to whatever you believe you're playing, think that publicly harassing another player at a CCP sponsored event and encouraging others to do so, in the belief that said players mental state might well cause him to commit suicide, isn't 'fun'.

The very fact that the Mittani saw fit to apolgise would indicate he didn't think so either and for my part I thought he was sincere.

So now we can't post EVE Mails or bad fits and laugh at them, just in case the so called "victim" might be mentally unstable? You didn't clearly address my original post either so I can't comment on that.
RougeOperator wrote:

The fact people think most eve players are sociopaths is an image crafted by the people supporting the mittani and the mittani himself. Yet most of the players never bother anyone and are happy just doing their own thing.

Here's the thing though, EVE is EVE because it allows it, because it's a sandbox. There would not be 7 years of growth if it wasn't. On the other hand the Space Barbie expansion probably would've been more well recieved.
Souvera Corvus
Buena Vista Social Club.
#13 - 2012-03-29 02:17:27 UTC
So Sensational wrote:
Stuff


Its hard to address your original point in the context of the Mittani and his actions because they have sweet fa to do with each other.
Davor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-03-29 02:22:12 UTC
What no one seems to realize, is for there to be a crime, a crime must have actually been committed. The Wis was barely aware that anything had happened at all, except for a slight goon presence in whichever system he was in, that he wasn't even concerned about (guess he wised up after the last time).

Oh and then he got 10 billion isk, and is continuing to be happily mining in eve.

Oh lawdy.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-03-29 02:22:58 UTC
So Sensational wrote:
Aranakas wrote:

Null sec is business. There's money in those moons and if someone's in your way, you have a reason to kill them.

A random miner having a 1.1 bil out-of-game bounty for no reason other than it's funny to **** them over? That's a whole other story.

Who are you to dictate what reasons I'm allowed to have for engaging in any form of gameplay? Again, Thought Police 2012?
Souvera Corvus wrote:

Way to miss the planetary-sized point that just lumbered past your cabbage patch.

Some of us who play eve-online, as opposed to whatever you believe you're playing, think that publicly harassing another player at a CCP sponsored event and encouraging others to do so, in the belief that said players mental state might well cause him to commit suicide, isn't 'fun'.

The very fact that the Mittani saw fit to apolgise would indicate he didn't think so either and for my part I thought he was sincere.

So now we can't post EVE Mails or bad fits and laugh at them, just in case the so called "victim" might be mentally unstable? You didn't clearly address my original post either so I can't comment on that.
RougeOperator wrote:

The fact people think most eve players are sociopaths is an image crafted by the people supporting the mittani and the mittani himself. Yet most of the players never bother anyone and are happy just doing their own thing.

Here's the thing though, EVE is EVE because it allows it, because it's a sandbox. There would not be 7 years of growth if it wasn't. On the other hand the Space Barbie expansion probably would've been more well recieved.


Translation: Sandbox is whatever i say it is.

I also decide what the sandbox is. Deal with it.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-03-29 02:23:51 UTC
Quote:
Who are you to dictate what reasons I'm allowed to have for engaging in any form of gameplay? Again, Thought Police 2012?


Both US and Icelandic law?

Aranakas CEO of Green Anarchy Green vs Green
Davor
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-03-29 02:25:07 UTC
You play eve.

You get "bullied."

You log off.

No one is bullying you, it's a game.

You were never bullied.
So Sensational
Ventures
#18 - 2012-03-29 02:25:47 UTC  |  Edited by: So Sensational
Souvera Corvus wrote:
So Sensational wrote:
Stuff


Its hard to address your original point in the context of the Mittani and his actions because they have sweet fa to do with each other.

Not at all.
“if you want to make the guy go kill himself, his name is [[REDACTED]], it’s [[NAME SPELLED OUT]]… He has his own corp. Find him.”

This implies absolutely nothing. Again, giving out the ingame name of another player? Not against the EULA. Telling people to find him? Not against the EULA.

Reading between the lines the furthest you could go is that he is encouraging people to either A) Kill/Scam/Interact with the guy ingame or B) Message the guy ingame. Hence the first post, none of these are bannable. Or we reading people's minds now? Making sure the motivation behind their actions are EULA-compliant?

No, we're banning people to save face, going against the core, sandbox nature of the EVE universe. Despicable.
RougeOperator wrote:

Translation: Sandbox is whatever i say it is.

I also decide what the sandbox is. Deal with it.

Not true, but the arbitrary rules that this PR stunt would impose on EVE would completely ruin what it is. Thankfully, that is all it is, a PR stunt.
Aranakas wrote:
Quote:
Who are you to dictate what reasons I'm allowed to have for engaging in any form of gameplay? Again, Thought Police 2012?


Both US and Icelandic law?

I'd love to see you bring that to court. "They killed him in a video game, they're responsible for his suicide. Lethal Injection sir, I call for the death penalty".
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-03-29 02:30:16 UTC
So Sensational wrote:
Is it against the EULA to tell other players to attack another player?
Is it against the EULA to tell other players to send messages to other players? Do we not usually tell people to simply ignore those they don't wish to speak to?

How can the motivation or intentions of these actions change wheter or not they're a bannable offense? Will the GMs read minds to figure out who is actually trying to harm their opponents? Why are we condemning someone for asking his spacefriends to engage in the very core concepts of EVE Online, destroying other players?

Why? Because he might have had sinister intentions (Despite how this portion was clearly a drunken remark, a joke)? Thought Police 2012?



Wow, really guy? If you dont get it now, I dont think we can help ya. You might as well go back to WoW.


Is it against the EULA to tell other players to attack another player? - No

Is it against the EULA to tell other players to send messages to other players? - No

Do we not usually tell people to simply ignore those they don't wish to speak to? - Yes


But when you state IN PUBIC as the leader of one of the most influential alliances in EVE, that you want to greif someone until they commit suicide. C'mon man, really?

If you had a brother/sister or whatever that played EVE and Mitanni stated that he wanted to make them commit suicide in public for the whole EVE world and MMO world to see/read, what would you do? Laugh it off and say "HAHAH, thats EVE for ya!"?

**** that, I wouldn't.

EVE is hardcore and harsh, but there HAS to be a line. Mittani crossed that line, he paid the piper. End of story.

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB
So Sensational
Ventures
#20 - 2012-03-29 02:36:33 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:

Wow, really guy? If you dont get it now, I dont think we can help ya. You might as well go back to WoW.

It's hilarious that you suggest that, considering that the actions that have been taken, that you support, is another step in the line of turning EVE into another cookie cutter experience.

Montevius Williams wrote:

If you had a brother/sister or whatever that played EVE and Mitanni stated that he wanted to make them commit suicide in public for the whole EVE world and MMO world to see/read, what would you do? Laugh it off and say "HAHAH, thats EVE for ya!"?

That's pretty much what I would say, yes. I'd laugh at the crazy sociopath, not that I genuinely believe that Mittani wants anyone to commit suicide because of something he jokingly said during a drunken rant in an enviroment where such behavior is practically encouraged because it entertains the audience.

His motivation is not relevant, as long as he sticks to ingame actions that are a part of the core EVE experience.
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