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Regarding the CSM7 Chairmanship:

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SC0T1SH WARRIOR
Zero For 0wned
#481 - 2012-03-29 00:04:02 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Khanh'rhh wrote:
Well done NPC alts,

You just cleared Mittens of any sense of pandering to any role he needs to play and he is now free to leverage the full arsenal of goonswarm against you in any manner the TOS allows.

Yes, this means completely destroying Jita.

What does that CCP trailer say? "Your choices always come back around"

I'll just /popcorn and wait for you to cry and whine and beg on the same forums you gave birth to your worst enemy, reinvigorated with a hatred for all of you.

This will be fun~


In other words, he's mad now?


madness and freedom are often confused.

Darius III wrote:
Pointless ****..


All that talk about yourself going to be mentioned in the thread and yet you were the first one to come in and post about it, you are failing at trollbait and quite clearly using this as a mix between gaining attention and a hate campaign.


I have to say honestly, a few years back i noticed you in passing and thought you were not too bad, watched you post on forums and seen you on a few fleets and didnt know why all the hate, but since i have actually been paying attention to the going-on in the eve community i understand it more clearly than ever, you are a vile attention starved person who will jump at the chance to get in on everything regardless who you **** over on your way. Mittani ****** up, that much is clear, and considering the amount of media coverage about it, he has handled it professionally and courteously, unlike you, who seem to think that you should be loved for trying to spearhead a crucifixion of one of the best voices we have had for the playerbase as a whole.

i would not trust you with one vote, let alone the voice of Eve players.

and you may be thinking oh yeah, just another flamepost from some CFC guy but i can assure you, this comes not from anyone in a corp or alliance, not from anyone who is biased towards anybody, but from myself, an Eve player who has paid open minded attention to the workings of eve politics and noticed you for the cancer that you are.

Eve Online is not your mother, and even if it was, you will never be her favourite son.

Dont mind me,  just touching your stuff.

PsychoBitch
Playboy Enterprises
Dark Taboo
#482 - 2012-03-29 00:05:18 UTC
The behavior exhibited is not becoming of an eve player, let alone someone he supposedly represents.

CCP should have him unceremoniously removed immediately, and banned.
Ceptia Cyna
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#483 - 2012-03-29 00:08:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ceptia Cyna
JC Anderson wrote:
[...]
Though I'm still a bit confused as to what exactly happened... CSM & The Mittani announce that he will be handing off the chair to another CSM. (but staying on the csm right?)

Then the CCP post that Mittani has been removed from the CSM entirely and received a 30 day ban?


Mittani has posted that he hands the CSM chair to another person cause he fears that the planned actions of griefing and harrasment by goonswarm would be negativ publicity for CCP and that he is better at planing on how to destroy Jita entirely than leading the CSM. Still keeping the seat in the CSM of course.

Only 2 hours later CCP bans him for 30 Days and thus kicks him out of CSM while still allows him to candidate for the next CSM , of course only if the candidature is reviewed positively. *hint*hint*

It seems real life has struck hard and without remorse.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#484 - 2012-03-29 00:10:04 UTC
Liaria Cullen wrote:
i honestly done think it matters anyway, the ceo of goonswarm is unlikely to have only one account, and all this is only really going to appease to the masses of idiots that have been annoyed by the mittani in the past.

oh well, the out-of-game comm channels are still here, but doubtless we are paralyzed and about to cascade.

PL, Raiden. and NC., you are clear to headshot VFK. Take "all the supercaps and titans" (quote from NC. forums) and come on in. I'm sure it will be an easy and total victory for the cause of ~elite pvp~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Dr Decibel
Perkone
Caldari State
#485 - 2012-03-29 00:11:05 UTC
PsychoBitch wrote:
The behavior exhibited is not becoming of an eve player, let alone someone he supposedly represents.

CCP should have him unceremoniously removed immediately, and banned.


Lessons in morality from Pyschobitch of Playboy Enterprises everyone.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#486 - 2012-03-29 00:11:49 UTC
Dr Decibel wrote:
PsychoBitch wrote:
The behavior exhibited is not becoming of an eve player, let alone someone he supposedly represents.

CCP should have him unceremoniously removed immediately, and banned.

Lessons in morality from Pyschobitch of Playboy Enterprises everyone.

Exotic dancing is considered an art form, even though not everyone might agree. Exposing the flesh in public places may be perfectly acceptable within the Federation, but in the Amarr Empire it's considered a grave sin and a sign of serious deviancy

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#487 - 2012-03-29 00:13:59 UTC
The Mittani wrote:
there are still some who doubt the sincerity of my apology to the player concerned, who - unlike those attempting to make hay from my mistake - is the person that matters here. I said that I would resign; to demonstrate the sincerity of my words and my apology, I will do just that.


You know as well as anyone else that what matters when it comes to public statements inciting harassment against another, is that you made the public statement inciting harassment. The actual mental state of the target doesn't matter, just as in a defamation case it doesn't matter if what you utter are factual statements, it only matters that there is an impact in the perception of the target by the population you spoke to. As a result of your statement, there were more gankings in the system your target occupies: there was a measurable impact in the attitude of the population you spoke to.

The Mittani wrote:
With the increasingly high profile of the CSM in the wake of the Incarna Emergency Summit and the amazing turnout we had for the CSM7 elections, I have come to the conclusion that my two roles in EVE - that of the Chairman of the CSM as Alexander Gianturco, and the leader of Goonswarm as "The Mittani" are increasingly incompatible. It is, fundamentally, a problem of hats.


I disagree: the problem was more with you running your mouth off without considering what you were saying, especially given that there were cameras in the room broadcasting your words live to the thousands of people who weren't in the room with you, whose appreciation for your humour could not be gauged.

There is absolutely no incompatibility between being The Mittani and being CSM Chairman. I found the calls for your resignation during the Ice Interdiction to be laughable. You could, of course, stand for CSM Chairman with a sock puppet alt. This should help distance The Mittani from CSM Chairman even though both roles are played by the same human.

Ice Interdiction: awesome stuff!
Inciting harassment: FAIL!

You just need to learn when to shut your trap.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#488 - 2012-03-29 00:17:31 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/SbKxBl.jpg


:)

The EVE Online equivalent of "loose lips sink ships".
Gericho Sane
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#489 - 2012-03-29 00:19:29 UTC
I look forward to watching Jita asplode, albeit from very, very far away.

PS Darius you sound like a real ****.
Dasquirrel715
Aurora.
The Initiative.
#490 - 2012-03-29 00:20:29 UTC
Darius III wrote:
This is a cynical half hearted gesture that rings very hollow. You have brought disgrace on the CSM, CCP and the Eve community in general. While I suppose it is "better than nothing" it does not undo the damage you have caused us all. Stepping down entirely is the only way to remove the stain of your poor judgement.

I ask you to look beyond your power mad aspirations and do the right thing for us all: Step down from the CSM so that we can begin the healing process and get some closure. Mainstream gaming media will adore you for it and the players will rejoice. Merely abdicating the Chair is a token gesture that will be viewed with cynicism not from just your detractors, but by everyone who is familiar with who your really are. I am outraged that you think this does anything to address the severity of what you have done to us all.

Instead of this token gesture, if in fact this what you think will atone for what you have done-do something meaningful and quit the the Council completely so that the CSM may once again enjoy the respect of the player base. I urge you to take into account the bigger picture and for once-do the right thing. Your full resignation is the one and only this that will set this right.

Soon in this thread you will see many goonies posting like mad, suggesting there was an NDA breach in CSM6, which of course CCP denied, dont let them turn this into something about ME this is about how Mittani's apology was not sincere, about how he cares nothing for the overall health of Eve, and just shows how empty his apology is.

In B4 1,000 goon alts post support and make laughable accusations about something NDA something that was shown to be untrue and denied by Dev post.

PS This is but a minor defeat for Mittani, but the goonies are going to howl all night. Like music to my ears.


There are times when politicking in EVE reminds me of real world politics. Oftentimes I see this as an interesting and even beneficial thing to a game like this. However, Darius, your post is a sore reminder of the fact that most politics is ends up effectively as a **** size contest. While I support Mitten's decision to step down from his position as chairman, your effort to pull him out of the council entirely is a sadly obvious ploy given your obvious bias from the events of the last year or so.
I suggest we leave Mittens where he is.
Skilfer Azizora
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#491 - 2012-03-29 00:20:58 UTC
Mara Rinn wrote:
The Mittani wrote:
there are still some who doubt the sincerity of my apology to the player concerned, who - unlike those attempting to make hay from my mistake - is the person that matters here. I said that I would resign; to demonstrate the sincerity of my words and my apology, I will do just that.


You know as well as anyone else that what matters when it comes to public statements inciting harassment against another, is that you made the public statement inciting harassment. The actual mental state of the target doesn't matter, just as in a defamation case it doesn't matter if what you utter are factual statements, it only matters that there is an impact in the perception of the target by the population you spoke to. As a result of your statement, there were more gankings in the system your target occupies: there was a measurable impact in the attitude of the population you spoke to.

The Mittani wrote:
With the increasingly high profile of the CSM in the wake of the Incarna Emergency Summit and the amazing turnout we had for the CSM7 elections, I have come to the conclusion that my two roles in EVE - that of the Chairman of the CSM as Alexander Gianturco, and the leader of Goonswarm as "The Mittani" are increasingly incompatible. It is, fundamentally, a problem of hats.


I disagree: the problem was more with you running your mouth off without considering what you were saying, especially given that there were cameras in the room broadcasting your words live to the thousands of people who weren't in the room with you, whose appreciation for your humour could not be gauged.

There is absolutely no incompatibility between being The Mittani and being CSM Chairman. I found the calls for your resignation during the Ice Interdiction to be laughable. You could, of course, stand for CSM Chairman with a sock puppet alt. This should help distance The Mittani from CSM Chairman even though both roles are played by the same human.

Ice Interdiction: awesome stuff!
Inciting harassment: FAIL!

You just need to learn when to shut your trap.


He was having fun and got drunk, then proceeded to do something stupid. It happens ALL THE TIME. He was just unlucky in therms of time and place of that stupid act.
Tyrone Cashmoney
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#492 - 2012-03-29 00:23:03 UTC
Mittens's dog for CSM7 chairman.
Keep Crying
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#493 - 2012-03-29 00:24:04 UTC
Vaarkk wrote:
I move to remove Darius III from CSM7. He has proven time and time again his great mental instability and his ineffective leadership, and he will do nothing to benefit the greater EVE community.

All in favor say "aye"


Aye
Alexandra Alt
Doomheim
#494 - 2012-03-29 00:24:49 UTC
Tyrone Cashmoney wrote:
Mittens's dog for CSM7 chairman.


I don't think Vile Rat can be chairman now ;)
Abulurd Boniface
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#495 - 2012-03-29 00:28:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Abulurd Boniface
Where I come from being drunk is a mitigating circumstance for some otherwise socially unacceptable behavior. Which is not to say that the socially unacceptable becomes acceptable, it is just an acknowledgment that some things were said and done at a time where we're not fully in control of our actions. That doesn't work for killing someone while driving drunk, where it is an added burden, and justly so

Making a joke about someone with mental health issues is crass and you want to actively avoid placing yourself in that kind of situation, I still don't see it as a hanging offense, especially when Mittens was drunk. CCP can't do anything else but follow their EULA or risk losing any and all moral authority in the future. The outrage from some sides sounds exactly like the kind of political opportunism that I see all the time where there's "outrage" at some comments. It never ceases to amuse me

I don't have any particular opinion on The Mittani one way or the other, but hanging him for a remark in a questionable state of sobriety... look around in the world and listen to the people in expensive suits with silk ties, making remarks and decisions that affect people in their millions, for which they are never held accountable. A remark here or there, that's really going to do it? That's the thing we need to guard ourselves against? Poor show, people

Quote:
I ask you to look beyond your power mad aspirations


I had to laugh at that one for 3 whole minutes, thanks for that [:lol:

It's the sandbox, sweethearts. Things happen that rankle us. Wake up and smell the coffee, you're in EVE

Also, and to conclude, CCP should defend the mentally unstable against themselves by denying them access. If circumstances in the sandbox cause them to actively contemplate self destruction, it is manifestly not the place for them to be. These people need and deserve professional help, EVE Online is not a mental health clinic, don't bring your issues into the sandbox, they're not going to get any better. If someone is not capable of placing the events in a game in context, those are issues the sandbox is ill-equipped to address

More drama, more unexpected twists, more vitriolic hate, Jita melting, fanfest which was an outrageously awesome experience, Iceland which has captured my heart with its wonderful people, its grand atmosphere, it's fabulously good food, I got my money's worth and then some
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#496 - 2012-03-29 00:31:46 UTC
Abulurd Boniface wrote:
More drama, more unexpected twists, more vitriolic hate, Jita melting, fanfest which was an outrageously awesome experience, Iceland which has captured my heart with its wonderful people, its grand atmosphere, it's fabulously good food, I got my money's worth and then some

Don't think it's melted yet, but hey whatever works for you.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Glasi Vookto
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#497 - 2012-03-29 00:32:54 UTC
Mittens needs to stay on the CSM. No one can contest the actions he has helped put forward in regards to pushing this game into something we all appreciate.

How can one little message turn from a hate mail into a political tool?

You haters talk of Mittens despicable behaviour, yet you post aggressive and none productive messages using forum alts trying to sway public opinion. Well guess what, alts mean jack S***.

Grow some balls and use your mains to post, or your words are total BS.

End of the day, the CSM is there to help the game progress as a whole. The people involved in the CSM can be anything they want to be ingame, model citizens or complete a***h***s if they so choose. So long as it doesn't affect their work in helping the programmers and ccp, it should NOT be a problem.

I for one support Alex and those ccp members that have posted in response. At least you have the guts to speak up for yourselves and not in support of what your ingame corps and alliances want you to say.

Oh and before anyone reposts this, yes this is my main.

DEAD JESTERS corp is recruiting PVP minded players for lowsec fun: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=295995&find=unread

The Harlequins alliance is recruiting PVP minded corporations: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=310158&find=unread

Svennig
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#498 - 2012-03-29 00:32:56 UTC
So, in summary.

Mittens gets up on stage, berates a player and makes fun of his depression, lots of nasty words. Not smart, dude. Some of the mails you posted were generally hilarious. But that one in particular, picking on those particular things, showed an unpleasant side that, as mittens, is almost expected in this game but, as head of the CSM, is not and is not acceptable. I'm disappointed that it happened, but it's a momentary lack of judgement, and I accept the apology that was given publicly and privately.

As much as I dislike mitten's comments, that's nothing to the revulsion that I feel toward those making "political" hay over this issue. The amount of recreational outrage and feigned moral panic from Darius and others is appalling. You're using this scenario to further your own interests, just like mittens used that guy to get a laugh. You don't give a **** about that guy, or the abuse he felt and suffered as a result of the presentation. It's just convenient. You do it to get a rise - you've said as much in this thread while delighting in the "tears" it has produced.

You're pathetic, and deserve as much censure as mittens for your opportunist abuse of this situation.
Jonatan Reed
Wildcard.
Boundary Experts
#499 - 2012-03-29 00:33:18 UTC
Keep Crying wrote:
Vaarkk wrote:
I move to remove Darius III from CSM7. He has proven time and time again his great mental instability and his ineffective leadership, and he will do nothing to benefit the greater EVE community.

All in favor say "aye"


Aye


Aye

ELITE PVP, WHADDUP

Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#500 - 2012-03-29 00:35:11 UTC
Darius III wrote:
stuff

This is going to come as a shock to you, but it's not all about you.

Looking forward to what kind of "hell in jita" goons deliver.


GL Alex.

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.