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Calling for consistency in EULA punishment (Update: CCP was consistent, good job!)
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Aranakas
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2012-03-28 22:32:14 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:
I do think Mitts is going to get some type of punishment, but damn, can we let the process work first? Let CCP do their investigation first to see what they find.


They are either waiting to see if this blows over, or hiring a PR consultant, not investigating this. I guarantee it.

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XavierVE
No Corporation for Old Spacemen
#42 - 2012-03-28 22:33:47 UTC
Aranakas wrote:
They are either waiting to see if this blows over, or hiring a PR consultant, not investigating this. I guarantee it.


No, you see, it takes two whole days to watch a video.

Right.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2012-03-28 22:38:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Fredfredbug4
Real world actions are not tied to the EULA. I don't know why people have trouble understanding that.

It's only a violation if what ever you did involves the direct use of CCP licensed software. Those that have been banned were probably sending threatening EVE-mails, posting on the forums, or being threatening through the EVE chat.

The Mitanni said what he said in person, not through CCP software. Therefore the EULA does not apply.

The reason why there is an investigation is because CCP is trying to determine if he sent any harassing or threatening messages through CCP software. If they based their judgement off of a video of him in person then they would be acting out of the EULA which could lead to a lawsuit.

EDIT: He also did not harass or threaten a CCP employee. That's about the only RL thing that you can do that could lead to a ban.

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Mistress Lilu
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-03-28 22:41:09 UTC
If there is no ban, **** gonna hit the wall.
I really can not see how CCP has any other choice to kick the looser, in RL and Eve, out of game and out of csm. I do not understand how ccp can stand and let somone in RL, might I add, in RL not in eve, throw **** on their reputation and their creation, eve.
Li Ter
The Northerners
Pandemic Horde
#45 - 2012-03-28 22:48:28 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
Killer Gandry wrote:

Being drunk isn't an excuse.


I'm looking for targets in the Recruitment channel RIGHT NOW.


Bitter much? your oh so "precious" leader made a mistake, he needs to go. get over it, i and many others dont care how much the sun shines out of his arse to you goon nubs
Li Ter
The Northerners
Pandemic Horde
#46 - 2012-03-28 22:50:17 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
Real world actions are not tied to the EULA. I don't know why people have trouble understanding that.

It's only a violation if what ever you did involves the direct use of CCP licensed software. Those that have been banned were probably sending threatening EVE-mails, posting on the forums, or being threatening through the EVE chat.

The Mitanni said what he said in person, not through CCP software. Therefore the EULA does not apply.

The reason why there is an investigation is because CCP is trying to determine if he sent any harassing or threatening messages through CCP software. If they based their judgement off of a video of him in person then they would be acting out of the EULA which could lead to a lawsuit.

EDIT: He also did not harass or threaten a CCP employee. That's about the only RL thing that you can do that could lead to a ban.



technically it was broadcast via EVE TV therefore CCP licensed software.........
XavierVE
No Corporation for Old Spacemen
#47 - 2012-03-28 23:12:13 UTC
Courtesy of the EULA:

Quote:
C. User Content
The System may allow you to communicate information, such as by posting messages in chat rooms, on bulletin boards and other user-to-user areas (collectively, "User Content").
User Content that you cause to be communicated to the System may not (i) violate any statute, rule, regulation or law; (ii) infringe or violate the intellectual property, proprietary, privacy or publicity rights of any third party; (iii) be defamatory, indecent, obscene, child pornographic or harmful to minors;


Fanfest is a user-to-user area. It's a CCP event for EVE players broadcast by CCP to the EVE community via CCP's systems.

I was threatened with a ban for asking people to "boo" someone on the message board, that's not "in-game" either, but the EULA covers the usage of the message boards as part of the EVE ecosystem, which also covers EVE's fanfest.

But truly, spin some more.

Demon Azrakel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2012-03-28 23:14:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Demon Azrakel
Can someone quote the EULA and clearly explain what he broke and how he broke it.
While you are at it, be sure to not quote something out of context.

EDIT: Apparently people take a rather wide view of CCP licensed software. Either way, can you imagine the decline in users if we petitioned everything that everyone said to us in EVE that would violate that EULA. People get mad and say things that, in most cases, would, if petitioned, result in the person being ganked being banned.

Quite frankly, I still do not see a huge problem. No one should be immune to ridicule and contempt for their actions in EVE, nor for their attempt to bring their own ****** life into EVE. In every post scam/gank conversation you have in EVE, you will usually assume that someone is lying for pity or to make you feel bad.

No one should change their playstyle for a whiny player who cannot deal with the harshness that is EVE. Not even the CEO of the biggest group of griefers and assholes (no offence intended, EVE would be a much worse and more boring place if you were not) in EVE. Remember the hats issue. You were hearing The Mittani, CEO of Goonswarm, not the (current) CSM chair, nor the future CSM member.

Aside from the potential for Sony to distance itself from CCP and this incident giving the US government more incentive to go on their crusade to label games as bad and violent (as if that makes a ******* difference in any way, shape, or form to sales; just look and what age people play M-rated games), I almost see this as any press = good press. Hell, this may attract some more real assholes to the game, and, lets face it, EVE has thrived on that phenomena.
XavierVE
No Corporation for Old Spacemen
#49 - 2012-03-28 23:16:14 UTC
Bravo, CCP. I am truly surprised that you enforced your EULA consistently in this case: http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=28576

Good job!
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2012-03-28 23:19:37 UTC
Ghoest wrote:
Its all about money dude. And Its CCPs game so they can do what they want.

Mittens leads Goons = many subscription = no ban Mittens

People calling out CCP = lost subscriptions = ban hammer



Seriously how hard is this to figure out. Goons have 1000s of subs, thats important.


I pointed this out in another thread, and I'll say it again.

Would CCP subscriptions go up if EVERY SINGLE Goon were perma-banned?

The idea that people make decisions primarily on whether it will "make them money" or not is so incredibly stupid that I find it frightening that anyone could take that seriously.

Even a Sociopath in a position of power, when looting a company, will make many decisions based on "it will make them suffer more". Normal people will deviate from "does it make me money" so much more.
Zleon Leigh
#51 - 2012-03-28 23:21:29 UTC
Finally.

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