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Regarding the CSM7 Chairmanship:

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#281 - 2012-03-28 21:59:08 UTC
Sidus Sarmiang wrote:
If it wasn't for what happened at Fanfest, I don't think Mittens would've dropped the chair.

But, as they say, when life gives you lemons, kill all pubbies.


It's kind of funny, in retrospect I think people will realize Mittani being CSM chairman was one of the few points of leverage you had over us. Now that that's gone, we can effectively do everything possible to make life miserable in this game as long as it doesn't break the EULA and no amount of whining or posting from you will change that.

Ah sight, well that's life.

Sometimes you just need to be free~ and in nullsec you too can be free~.

Free to mine and rat because seriously, that's all we do out here to support your socialist regime.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Caellach Marellus
Stormcrows
#282 - 2012-03-28 21:59:19 UTC
Credit where it's due Alex, I really didn't think you'd go ahead with Step 2&3, which made me question the legitimacy of Step 1.

In my opinion an apology was all that was needed, and some insight into where the line is and how far over it one can go before invoking rule 7.

The fact you did everything you said you would do suprised me and impressed me, what you've done to try and put things right is no small deal to your personal position, and requires swallowing a lot of pride, kudos.


I still think all that was needed was an apology, but if this is what you feel you need to do then so be it.



Now I hope we can move on from this, last I checked there was a **** ton of new stuff in the world of internet spaceships that CCP were planning to put in, stuff worth excited talk about. Can we stop flogging the dead horse that happens to look a bit like that rapper from Linkin Park*?

Well except Darius but f##k what he thinks Lol Even if he never broke the NDA he's still as much use as a c##k flavoured lollipop.



* No really, Mittens looks like him, it's kinda creepy.

When your gut instincts tell you something is wrong, trust them. When your heart tells you something is right, ignore it, check with your brain first. Accept nothing, challenge everything.

Princess Bride
SharkNado
#283 - 2012-03-28 21:59:22 UTC
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
So all of your actions, including your Fanfest debacle, are not acceptable for a CSM chair, but are acceptable for a CSM member? Where is the line on that exactly? I thought it was here:

Quote:
They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM

Can you reconcile your drunken tirade with the above standard?

No one gives a **** about the crap you churn out, stop posting.


It's a legitimate question. He's been bad enough to step down as chair, but good enough to stay on the CSM? So what's reason enough to leave the CSM?

http://eveprincessbride.wordpress.com/

Syndic Thrass
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#284 - 2012-03-28 22:00:01 UTC
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Look at ******* Darius in this thread. You should get Jade Constantine to RP a furry and you guys can get it on, I hear he has a channel for that.

Reguards, Iskies-mommies-toonies-corpies-goonies 0707 m8m8m8

Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#285 - 2012-03-28 22:00:06 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Read it again and it seems to me that it is to lead the Goons to cause further mayhem in the cold harsh place that is Eve.


Yes, isn't it delightful? Lol

MITTANI, WE LOVE YOU! (In a totally not gay way. Oops)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#286 - 2012-03-28 22:00:22 UTC
Syndic Thrass wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Has mittens declined the chairmanship of the CSM because of his behaviour at the fanfest, or because he is the leader of the Goons and wants a free hand to commit the Goons to cause mayhem in hisec etc?

Insinuating we didn't do that while he was chair.

Eh well, maybe he was holding us back. Maybe we were under existential threat.

Maybe ~elite pvp~ was using their totally "balanced by cost" ships to great effect by headshotting VFK. Who knows.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Cabbage Man
Absolute Order
Absolute Honor
#287 - 2012-03-28 22:00:51 UTC
Space politics are space politics. I support your decision, Mittens, and I believe that you made the right call - even if it may not have been the easiest.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#288 - 2012-03-28 22:01:02 UTC
"Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable."

no balls. You should think before you write something down or talk in front of a camera.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value

Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#289 - 2012-03-28 22:01:30 UTC
Xython wrote:
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Read it again and it seems to me that it is to lead the Goons to cause further mayhem in the cold harsh place that is Eve.

Yes, isn't it delightful? Lol

MITTANI, WE LOVE YOU! (In a totally not gay way. Oops)

Are we supposed to chainpost/quote "I, too, am gay" because there are people of different lifestyles/whatever they call it nowadays.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Sidus Sarmiang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#290 - 2012-03-28 22:01:38 UTC
Princess Bride wrote:
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
Princess Bride wrote:
So all of your actions, including your Fanfest debacle, are not acceptable for a CSM chair, but are acceptable for a CSM member? Where is the line on that exactly? I thought it was here:

Quote:
They are also expected to adhere to the EULA/TOS and carry themselves in a manner that sets an example for other players to follow.

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/What_is_the_CSM

Can you reconcile your drunken tirade with the above standard?

No one gives a **** about the crap you churn out, stop posting.


It's a legitimate question. He's been bad enough to step down as chair, but good enough to stay on the CSM? So what's reason enough to leave the CSM?



Being as dumb as you are.
SPAECMARNIES
State War Academy
Caldari State
#291 - 2012-03-28 22:01:44 UTC
Look at all those posts being deleted in this thread that are about Darius III. ~oh boy~
Jojo Jackson
Dead Red Eye
#292 - 2012-03-28 22:01:55 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:

for the votes:
6000 member chars goons
xxxx blues
+ well known name (while most other CSM names are "unknown") -> people vote for "known"
average acc peer player ~2,75 (belive this was the number from CCP)

10k isn't realy that impresive anymore to me ;)

Yes, because every single member char is on a seperate account and we don't have accounts with 2 or even 3 characters to be market alts, PI alts etc,

PERFECT, call the media, stop the presses.

PM Riverini with this exciting information.

And it's not that many have 1 or 2 chars in 00-ally for pewpew-fun but 4 to 10 acc outside of this ally?

I remember one topic where a guy claimed to be "GOON PvP player" but statted, that he uses 1 acc for GOON but run 14 (!!) accounts in highsec for trade/hauler/PI/indu/..
That's not the "normal" player, I know!

Over all I just take the middle. Some guys have just 1 acc with 3 chars all in GOONs. Other have 20 acc but just 1 char in GOONs. The middle might be 1:1 and then ... 10k still isn't realy impresive ;).

Why the hell can't I fitt capital repairs or shield booster on an Orca ... it's an CAPITAL ship!

GallowsCalibrator
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#293 - 2012-03-28 22:02:21 UTC  |  Edited by: GallowsCalibrator
The Mittani wrote:
Though I have received many letters of support (my inbox is full of these, and for them I thank you) and the major bloggers have called for me to remain on as Chair, there are still some who doubt the sincerity of my apology to the player concerned, who - unlike those attempting to make hay from my mistake - is the person that matters here. I said that I would resign; to demonstrate the sincerity of my words and my apology, I will do just that.

With the increasingly high profile of the CSM in the wake of the Incarna Emergency Summit and the amazing turnout we had for the CSM7 elections, I have come to the conclusion that my two roles in EVE - that of the Chairman of the CSM as Alexander Gianturco, and the leader of Goonswarm as "The Mittani" are increasingly incompatible. It is, fundamentally, a problem of hats.

As the leader of Goonswarm I must be willing to make ruthless decisions and take actions that many players find objectionable - griefing, ganking, scamming, 'dishonorable' fleet tactics, espionage, metagaming, blowing up everyone who tries to mine Gallente Ice, sponsoring Hulkageddon, et cetera - whatever it takes to defend my people in this, the most exceedingly hostile galaxy to grace the internet. As Darius JOHNSON, the previous Goonswarm leader once said, "[Goonswarm] is not here to destroy /the/ game, but /your/ game.

Yet as Chairman of the CSM and Alexander Gianturco, I need to put a good face on CCP's experimental player democracy and keep my nose clean. Inevitably, these two roles conflict with one another; when Goonswarm does what it does in EVE, this reflects on the CSM as a whole, purely due to my position as both Chairman and alliance leader. If I abandon the brutalist tactics of an alliance leader in hopes of keeping the CSM's image pristine, I hamstring my people ingame and do a disservice to the line members who rely on me. In addition, the enemies of Goonswarm assault the CSM and CCP itself unfairly due to the in-game actions of our alliance.

After the successful restructuring of CCP, I am convinced that most of the hard work of the CSM is already done - CCP is now focusing on spaceships instead of avatars, and the success of CSM6 has led to a solid and competent crop of player representatives in CSM7 with a much greater turnout, demonstrating ever-more faith and trust from the playerbase in the concept of the CSM. This changes things for the CSM, as well as the Chairman title

During Goonswarm's highly successful Gallente Ice Interdiction there were calls for my resignation as Chairman; those calls increased when Goonswarm began to use false supercap sales as a method of closing the gap between us and our in-game enemies' supercap fleets. We are now planning an attempt to destroy Jita itself. All of these actions are entirely legitimate within the brutal world of EVE, yet, in the coming months, if I continue to hold the title of Chairman, CCP will be enduring one PR nightmare after another as Goonswarm's in-game actions unfairly reflect back upon the CSM as a whole through the Chairman title. It is increasingly important that the Chair be a ‘good citizen’ in the game itself - and I cannot be a good citizen and simultaneously lead my alliance of magnificent bastards.

With CSM7's term beginning on April 4th, I now exercise my right as the winner of the election with 10,058 votes to decline the office of Chairman. It will then be up to CSM7 as a group to decide how to proceed regarding the Chair. As a member of the CSM without a title, what I do as the leader of Goonswarm will no longer unfairly reflect on the CSM as a whole - leaving me and my people free to do as we please without needing to consider corporate, political, or media ramifications every time we make a **** joke, offend someone, or sell a supercap made of vapor.


Not reading the rest of this thread because it is undoubtedly 99% shitposting, including this very post; This is what I was expecting, and my hundred thrashers in Jita are waiting.
(Also, hoping CSM Chairman is Two Step.)

Edit: Sorting BBCode.
Lexmana
#294 - 2012-03-28 22:02:27 UTC
Sunoccard wrote:
I believe in the Mittani and support his decision. I would have preferred him to stay, but the choice was his to make and I am glad he is sticking around to help us fly super serious internet spaceships.


I am drunk and Sunoccard said it way better than I can right now. I know this because I have tried to write something myself during the last half hour. Anyway, I am confident you will continue to enrich the experince of EVE, both as alliance leader and as a CSM delegate. When is Jita burning anyway?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#295 - 2012-03-28 22:02:32 UTC
Syndic Thrass wrote:
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Look at ******* Darius in this thread. You should get Jade Constantine to RP a furry and you guys can get it on, I hear he has a channel for that.

DO we want, or not want to read the (literal) chatporn from that?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#296 - 2012-03-28 22:02:50 UTC
Josef Djugashvilis wrote:
Read it again and it seems to me that it is to lead the Goons to cause further mayhem in the cold harsh place that is Eve.


What's wrong with that?

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar

Daviclond
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#297 - 2012-03-28 22:02:56 UTC
Reminder that Darius III is the CSM rep with the least number of votes, and nearly an order of magnitude less votes than The Mittani

(also he leaked NDA-covered information to a 3rd party eve fan site)
Derrick Munroe
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#298 - 2012-03-28 22:03:26 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
"Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable."

no balls. You should think before you write something down or talk in front of a camera.


1) Apology thread

2) He resigned from CSM7 chair

3) He sent over 10b ISK to The Wis

You should review the facts before you go rambling on a forum.

What's it like, not owning any tech moons?

Tarsus Zateki
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#299 - 2012-03-28 22:03:34 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:

And it's not that many have 1 or 2 chars in 00-ally for pewpew-fun but 4 to 10 acc outside of this ally?

I remember one topic where a guy claimed to be "GOON PvP player" but statted, that he uses 1 acc for GOON but run 14 (!!) accounts in highsec for trade/hauler/PI/indu/..
That's not the "normal" player, I know!

Over all I just take the middle. Some guys have just 1 acc with 3 chars all in GOONs. Other have 20 acc but just 1 char in GOONs. The middle might be 1:1 and then ... 10k still isn't realy impresive ;).


That's a whole lot of a semi-literate monkey babble right here folks.

You asked me once, what was in Room 101. I told you that you knew the answer already. Everyone knows it. The thing that is in Room 101 is the worst thing in the world.

Syndic Thrass
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#300 - 2012-03-28 22:03:37 UTC
Jojo Jackson wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Jojo Jackson wrote:

for the votes:
6000 member chars goons
xxxx blues
+ well known name (while most other CSM names are "unknown") -> people vote for "known"
average acc peer player ~2,75 (belive this was the number from CCP)

10k isn't realy that impresive anymore to me ;)

Yes, because every single member char is on a seperate account and we don't have accounts with 2 or even 3 characters to be market alts, PI alts etc,

PERFECT, call the media, stop the presses.

PM Riverini with this exciting information.

And it's not that many have 1 or 2 chars in 00-ally for pewpew-fun but 4 to 10 acc outside of this ally?

I remember one topic where a guy claimed to be "GOON PvP player" but statted, that he uses 1 acc for GOON but run 14 (!!) accounts in highsec for trade/hauler/PI/indu/..
That's not the "normal" player, I know!

Over all I just take the middle. Some guys have just 1 acc with 3 chars all in GOONs. Other have 20 acc but just 1 char in GOONs. The middle might be 1:1 and then ... 10k still isn't realy impresive ;).


The **** are you even saying you mongo *******

Reguards, Iskies-mommies-toonies-corpies-goonies 0707 m8m8m8