Ships & Modules

I guess I don't see many lazor/hybrid boats or boats with active tanks sporting a few nuets in thier highslots. Nor do I see many fleet/ med. gang boats that operate outside of 12/24km using them. Maybe you do though.

What I see is a lot of solo/small gang buffered capless weapon toting boats being forced to use them as frig defense. I also see a fair number of frig 1v1 types in buffered capless weapon platforms (again) using them.



Ah so even IF nuets are OP you agree that reflection is a better mechanic than what is currently available. Since nuets could not be OP if the counters were effective.

What happens to Falcon when you fit ECM and he can't brake your lock? -he's dead
What happens to Arazu/Lachesis when it uses damps in ships fighting closer than 20km? -ho w8
What happens if Rapier/huggin...forget, those don't care that much.


If those are neuted:

Can't use propulsion modules
Can't use defense modules
Can't use offensive modules

And the stupid thing is that neuts can be used by everyone and his cat.

I think this is a refreshing idea of CCP. Neutralizers are a big problems for frigates, so if I would decide to dedicated one of my precious medium slots to save a bit of my cap from being neutralized this sounds fair to me. Currently everyone is fitting Neutralizers on almost every Cruiser or BC for PVP. So if there is a way to avoid then meaybe less people will fit them and then also less people will need to avoid it. Sounds like this will add some more spice to the game.

I guess people are missing the mainpoint here .... This is a not so covert buff to minmatar and their non-cap way of doing things.

Faster basespeeds on ships ... All of their weapons are non-cap using ... Most of basic combat ships sport a neut as a standard equipment. Plentiful slot layouts to throw in those batteries.

Its a good idea for cap batteries to be more used then in that 1 niche setup that nobody has ever seen ... But another "lets make minnies even better as end result" change is just garbage.

You are aware that they can also armour tank pretty well?

I actually like the idea of cap resistance, or protected cap or otherwise. Currently if you're neuted you generally go from having the ability to do everything to being dead in the water. This would pull in a tactical decision, do i leave my reps on to outlast him? Guns to out dps him? Prop mod to try escape? You can't do everything but it doesn't leave you powerless, and your skill/decisions then direct the outcome

Guys Guys! This had to be done because of all the Curse and Pilgrim alts ruining one-on-one and small gang pvp. I mean come on. People are always running out of cap in an instant once one of these assholes decides to bring a neut boat and his neuts are applied.

And why should any frig be fitting a small nos in one of its high slots, or a cap booster in a mid. Nobody does that nor should they. Everyone has a spare mid though to fit eccm on their tackling frigs which pretty much give them immunity to ecm boats. One eccm and your frig can laugh at ecm, but how long will one cap booster or one small nos keep you powered once a medium or heavy neut cycles on you.

There is no design problem with ecm, but there is rampant alt use with neut boats that have no meaningful counters. How many times has your small gang gf been ruined because one neut boat comes in and instantly neuts out 4 of your gang mates from 50 or more km away? How many times has a great one-on-one been ruined when the other guy starts dying and he decloaks his Pilgrim alt within 10km of your fast moving engagement? It happens all the time and this is just unacceptible and why CCP has to nerf neuts and nuet boats.

Nuets have no downsides for your ship either. I've seen it too many times to number where some fellow has unlimited cap to run his neuts. Great now everyone loses cap but that ****** can keep neuting all day. It's totally ruining small scale pvp.

So STFU this was a much needed change to nerf into the stone age a class of ships that are ruining the game. And about time for cap batteries. What the hell did you want to make them relevant a small buff to the cap amount provided and a small reduction in fitting costs? How the hell is that going to fix them? No, CCP will now wisely fix these two enormous problems with one simple change to game mechanics that will require very little new coding.

STFU you ******* neut alts GTFO

OMG, are you really in TEST?

I'm all for a neut nerf, anything to make active tanking a little more viable. Aren't the rest of you bored with buffer-tanked everything?

Of course, chance-based mechanics are horrible and reflecting back onto a neuting ship is going to be irrelevant when they've got an injector anyway.

But still, it was pretty funny reading about how Neut vs cap injector is totally balanced yet oh noes your neuting ship that's using a cap booster might get counter-neuted omg Amarr shafted again! If it really were balanced, the whiny outcry wouldn't be this extreme. After all, you've supposedly got exactly the thing it takes to counter neutralizers. Right?

"Oh em gee! Everyone and their cousin uses NOS! Nerf!"
"Oh noes! Everyone and their grandmother uses damps! Nerf!"

Sound familiar? How about you people go back to bitching about ECM. Neuts have counters that are effective at their job of countering AND useful outside of said counter. Neuts are effective, but they aren't op. Titans, tengus, drakes, hurricanes, ecm, supercarriers, afk cloaking, and now neuts? Jesus, go back to hello ******* kitty online you pansies. Jesus.