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[Fanfest] Wardecks
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Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#1 - 2012-03-25 17:49:14 UTC
OK so at fanfest they proposed having an additional 500k isk added for every player in whatever organization your are wardecking. I think this makes large alliances far too safe.

I say instead of having a linear increase in the price based on members, make it a Logarithmic curve instead

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logarithm for those of you still in high school.

So the added cost could be 500,000 isk multiplied by Log base 2 of the size of whatever you are wardecking.

This would still make it more expensive to go to war with larger organizations but not make it so economically restrictive to fight someone with a huge padded member list of alts.

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544
Axis Raikkonen
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-03-27 15:33:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Axis Raikkonen
I like CCP's proposal.

Give me two reasons why a small high-sec group wardecs a large alliance. That's actually a trick question, there's only one: To grief them on the Jita 4-4 undock.

Legitimate war is unaffected for the following reasons:

  • Null-sec/Low-sec alliances don't use war decs. Seriously, that's what neutral/orange/red status is for. Just blob up, pew-pew and stay away from the sentries, if applicable.
  • High-sec wars between two independent corps is cheap enough as is. One corp wardeccing a 100-member corp = 50mil extra. Dude, that's chump change. You'll spend ten times that amount on ships to get blown up. Go run an incursion for two hours and war-dec EVE-Uni. I bet you'll still walk away with a profit.
  • High-sec alliances who want to PVP... wait, do those even exist outside of EVE-Uni? Fleet up, head to .4 and pew-pew to your heart's content. Just watch out for the sentries.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-03-27 16:55:24 UTC
Axis Raikkonen wrote:
I like CCP's proposal.

Give me two reasons why a small high-sec group wardecs a large alliance. That's actually a trick question, there's only one: To grief them on the Jita 4-4 undock.

Legitimate war is unaffected for the following reasons:

  • Null-sec/Low-sec alliances don't use war decs. Seriously, that's what neutral/orange/red status is for. Just blob up, pew-pew and stay away from the sentries, if applicable.
  • High-sec wars between two independent corps is cheap enough as is. One corp wardeccing a 100-member corp = 50mil extra. Dude, that's chump change. You'll spend ten times that amount on ships to get blown up. Go run an incursion for two hours and war-dec EVE-Uni. I bet you'll still walk away with a profit.
  • High-sec alliances who want to PVP... wait, do those even exist outside of EVE-Uni? Fleet up, head to .4 and pew-pew to your heart's content. Just watch out for the sentries.


AWWWWWW.

The big bad Null-Sec Alliance tough guy whines about the High Sec carebears being meanies to him.

And CCP hears the cries of whiny Null-Bears and further showers them with special benefits they neither earned nor deserve.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-03-27 16:58:53 UTC
Wolodymyr wrote:
OK so at fanfest they proposed having an additional 500k isk added for every player in whatever organization your are wardecking. I think this makes large alliances far too safe.

I say instead of having a linear increase in the price based on members, make it a Logarithmic curve instead

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logarithm for those of you still in high school.

So the added cost could be 500,000 isk multiplied by Log base 2 of the size of whatever you are wardecking.

This would still make it more expensive to go to war with larger organizations but not make it so economically restrictive to fight someone with a huge padded member list of alts.


NO.

It's called Alts.

End of discussion.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#5 - 2012-03-27 17:01:13 UTC
Axis Raikkonen wrote:
Give me two reasons why a small high-sec group wardecs a large alliance. That's actually a trick question, there's only one: To grief them on the Jita 4-4 undock.

Not true. We had a rather entertaining war with TEST a while back, and none of the fighting happened in Jita (that I know of).

Besides, if a large alliance can't swat a couple of pests harassing them on the Jita undock, they aren't as formidable as they pretend to be.

Axis Raikkonen wrote:
High-sec alliances who want to PVP... wait, do those even exist outside of EVE-Uni?

Well, ours did until someone forgot to pay the alliance bill. RIP Petition Blizzard.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-03-27 17:31:38 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
Axis Raikkonen wrote:
Give me two reasons why a small high-sec group wardecs a large alliance. That's actually a trick question, there's only one: To grief them on the Jita 4-4 undock.

Not true. We had a rather entertaining war with TEST a while back, and none of the fighting happened in Jita (that I know of).

Besides, if a large alliance can't swat a couple of pests harassing them on the Jita undock, they aren't as formidable as they pretend to be.

Axis Raikkonen wrote:
High-sec alliances who want to PVP... wait, do those even exist outside of EVE-Uni?

Well, ours did until someone forgot to pay the alliance bill. RIP Petition Blizzard.


Majority of PVP Greifing corps wont war dec larger groups because they want easy prey....

But that doesn't mean it never happens.

Case and point...we get war decs every week..... and we are vastly larger than the bulk who do war dec us.

Not including CFC and company.

Not that we give a crap.

Same applies to high sec....I'm sure your familar with Mercenary corps...amirite?

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Axis Raikkonen
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-03-27 18:13:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Axis Raikkonen
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

Not true. We had a rather entertaining war with TEST a while back, and none of the fighting happened in Jita (that I know of)

My original post was largely hyperbolic in composition. I'll attest to the fact that legitimate wars can be waged between a corp and alliance, but I will also point out that in terms of my experience, I've never seen a corp-on-alliance war dec that resulted in actual fighting. It was pretty much a bribe to CONCORD to let them shoot that shiny jump freighter that passes by every week or two

FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

Besides, if a large alliance can't swat a couple of pests harassing them on the Jita undock, they aren't as formidable as they pretend to be

That would involve movement of ships and players to the Jita undock, which frankly isn't worth it when the most likely result is the griefers docking up and playing station games all day

Also, I've yet to see a logistics run that is an alliance-wide op. Most of the time it's individual corporations making the runs, which makes them easy pray for griefers

FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

Well, ours did until someone forgot to pay the alliance bill. RIP Petition Blizzard.

In lieu of flowers, send ISK
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-03-27 18:36:25 UTC
Axis Raikkonen wrote:
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

Not true. We had a rather entertaining war with TEST a while back, and none of the fighting happened in Jita (that I know of)

My original post was largely hyperbolic in composition. I'll attest to the fact that legitimate wars can be waged between a corp and alliance, but I will also point out that in terms of my experience, I've never seen a corp-on-alliance war dec that resulted in actual fighting. It was pretty much a bribe to CONCORD to let them shoot that shiny jump freighter that passes by every week or two

FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

Besides, if a large alliance can't swat a couple of pests harassing them on the Jita undock, they aren't as formidable as they pretend to be

That would involve movement of ships and players to the Jita undock, which frankly isn't worth it when the most likely result is the griefers docking up and playing station games all day

Also, I've yet to see a logistics run that is an alliance-wide op. Most of the time it's individual corporations making the runs, which makes them easy pray for griefers

FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:

Well, ours did until someone forgot to pay the alliance bill. RIP Petition Blizzard.

In lieu of flowers, send ISK


Keep speaking Truth to Power, Null Bear!

Them High-Sec Monsters live to grief innocent Null Bears minding their own business!

You just want to mine some rock and sell it at Jita!

Why, you don't even do anything to provoke them!

Why can't they leave you ALONE!
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-03-28 20:34:02 UTC
I went over to SoniClover after that presentation had finished and mentioned that Goonswarm would literally make 100,000 new trial alts and stick them all in our alliance so that a wardec would cost more than a titan.

Pretty sure for that reason alone its not going in as presented.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.