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Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#3701 - 2012-03-28 18:40:03 UTC
Daviclond wrote:
Jade Constantine wrote:


acknowledged it then (thus far) has failed to follow through with the promised resignation. Thats largely why people are considering him a heel (IRL).



It's pretty clear that, at the very most, he's going to be stepping down from the chairman position while staying on the CSM

how does that make you feel jade?


Gratified since thats precisely what I said he should do when this scandal began.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Doddy
Excidium.
#3702 - 2012-03-28 18:40:18 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Giuliano Verti wrote:


You can say wahtever you wan, but the point is Alex acknowledged hes mistake.

Who is the daft?


You are.

Its only right he apologises for his drunken mistake but its not his falt you are taking his joke as a serious call to kill someone.



I watched the tape. It didnt sound like he was joking.


I think that says more about you than him.
Kallynda Nai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3703 - 2012-03-28 18:40:26 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:



Making light of suicide in a thread about the ramifications of suicide and driving people to suicide.

You proud of yourself yet?


Accusing people of seriously trying to get someone to kill themselves.

Are you proud of yourself yet?




Its on tape. And I dont have to accuse him of anything, he admitted it.

Why would i be proud of this at all. I shouldnt even have ever had to think about this being a thing I would have to worry about in EvE online. That someone at a live event would tell people to harass someone till they kill themselves.

Thats why its so sick.

And even sicker the people defending and trying to spin it away.

The line in the sand was drawn. Pick a side.

I'll pick the side of sanity and not rabid hyperbole and overreaction, thanks. Have fun over there, though.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#3704 - 2012-03-28 18:40:37 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Ranger 1 wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:



Making light of suicide in a thread about the ramifications of suicide and driving people to suicide.

You proud of yourself yet?


Accusing people of seriously trying to get someone to kill themselves.

Are you proud of yourself yet?




Its on tape. And I dont have to accuse him of anything, he admitted it.

Why would i be proud of this at all. I shouldnt even have ever had to think about this being a thing I would have to worry about in EvE online. That someone at a live event would tell people to harass someone till they kill themselves.

Thats why its so sick.

And even sicker the people defending and trying to spin it away.

The line in the sand was drawn. Pick a side.


We have a tape of a bad joke, last in a night full of similar bad jokes.

Mittani NEVER admitted he was trying to seriously make ANYONE kill themselves. Stop lying.

I'll pick my side to be the one of common sense based on the entirety of the video evidence, not hysterical witch hunts based on a sound byte, thanks.

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Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3705 - 2012-03-28 18:40:57 UTC
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Xython wrote:
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Oh get over it already. Its a game for adults and collecting tears. You bunch of daily mail readers!


You've got the negative media attention now and are going to pressure ccp into making wow in space if you guys aren't careful.


Don't you get it? That's what these idiots want.

No, it's not. Well, not, if I am counted among the idiots (reported for flaming, btw).

I think I'll make a separate post about it, but what I want is an EVE where scamming, baiting, blobbing, ganking, trapping, and using clever tricks is still allowed, where we can have PR wars and gloat on locals about how wonderful players we are, and where there is no guaranteed safety and total opt-out of pvp. I also want an EVE where it is not acceptable behavior to point and laugh when someone is obviously RL upset about losing, to use stage time in a CCP event to humiliate and berate your rivals rather than talk about what you do well, or to flame people on the public forums, and where racist/sexist/homophobic slurs are grounds of immediate warnings and bans.

I do not see those as contradictory. I doubt most of the community does.



well said Elsebeth

Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3706 - 2012-03-28 18:41:40 UTC
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
You know Im wondering if other countries have had the recent high profile cases and publicity we have in the UK.

Cyberbullying, troll threads, hate websites, facebook sites,abusive tweets, teenage suicide have all been really high profile in the uk the last six months, Hell theres was a primetime BBC program about a radio presenter getting trolled and the legal cases surrounding that case. THe Muamba case, the Facebook troll. I think that publicity may have hardened some peoples attitudes over here but dont know if other countries have had the same kind of cases?


Except that this is a single sentence not a campain lasting for months/years.
Giuliano Verti
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3707 - 2012-03-28 18:42:14 UTC
Karim alRashid wrote:
Giuliano Verti wrote:

You can say wahtever you wan, but the point is Alex acknowledged hes mistake.

Who is the daft?


It seems you are. He acknowledged the mistake of making a very tasteless joke.


So again... this is a joke too:

Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.

He decide to resign for be a bad joker?

Again... you'r running out of excuses...
Jade Constantine
Jericho Fraction
The Star Fraction
#3708 - 2012-03-28 18:42:22 UTC
Lt Pizi wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Xython wrote:
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Oh get over it already. Its a game for adults and collecting tears. You bunch of daily mail readers!


You've got the negative media attention now and are going to pressure ccp into making wow in space if you guys aren't careful.


Don't you get it? That's what these idiots want.

No, it's not. Well, not, if I am counted among the idiots (reported for flaming, btw).

I think I'll make a separate post about it, but what I want is an EVE where scamming, baiting, blobbing, ganking, trapping, and using clever tricks is still allowed, where we can have PR wars and gloat on locals about how wonderful players we are, and where there is no guaranteed safety and total opt-out of pvp. I also want an EVE where it is not acceptable behavior to point and laugh when someone is obviously RL upset about losing, to use stage time in a CCP event to humiliate and berate your rivals rather than talk about what you do well, or to flame people on the public forums, and where racist/sexist/homophobic slurs are grounds of immediate warnings and bans.

I do not see those as contradictory. I doubt most of the community does.



well said Elsebeth



works for me.

The True Knowledge is that nothing matters that does not matter to you, might does make right and power makes freedom
Temulkar Blaine
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3709 - 2012-03-28 18:43:47 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Temulkar Blaine wrote:
You know Im wondering if other countries have had the recent high profile cases and publicity we have in the UK.

Cyberbullying, troll threads, hate websites, facebook sites,abusive tweets, teenage suicide have all been really high profile in the uk the last six months, Hell theres was a primetime BBC program about a radio presenter getting trolled and the legal cases surrounding that case. THe Muamba case, the Facebook troll. I think that publicity may have hardened some peoples attitudes over here but dont know if other countries have had the same kind of cases?


Except that this is a single sentence not a campain lasting for months/years.


The guy who tweeted about muamba got six months on monday after a drunken rant on a saturday night, that wasnt a campaign, but I do get your point.
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#3710 - 2012-03-28 18:43:58 UTC
Confirming I'm picking the side of rational reasoning. Idea

Pain is weakness leaving the body http://www.youtube.com/user/AlRashidKarim/videos
Prince Kobol
#3711 - 2012-03-28 18:44:54 UTC
Lt Pizi wrote:
Elsebeth Rhiannon wrote:
Xython wrote:
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Oh get over it already. Its a game for adults and collecting tears. You bunch of daily mail readers!


You've got the negative media attention now and are going to pressure ccp into making wow in space if you guys aren't careful.


Don't you get it? That's what these idiots want.

No, it's not. Well, not, if I am counted among the idiots (reported for flaming, btw).

I think I'll make a separate post about it, but what I want is an EVE where scamming, baiting, blobbing, ganking, trapping, and using clever tricks is still allowed, where we can have PR wars and gloat on locals about how wonderful players we are, and where there is no guaranteed safety and total opt-out of pvp. I also want an EVE where it is not acceptable behavior to point and laugh when someone is obviously RL upset about losing, to use stage time in a CCP event to humiliate and berate your rivals rather than talk about what you do well, or to flame people on the public forums, and where racist/sexist/homophobic slurs are grounds of immediate warnings and bans.

I do not see those as contradictory. I doubt most of the community does.



well said Elsebeth



Well apparently flaming, mocking, humiliating people using any means at your disposal including racist/sexist/homophobic slurs are fine, so is political meta-gaming, as according to one goon we are all "Peers" however if it is directed at a Goon then it a evil and horrible thing to do.

Tsk Tsk.. we pubbies / Pub-Lords should be ashamed of ourselves Sad
Blatant Forum Alt
Doomheim
#3712 - 2012-03-28 18:45:10 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Giuliano Verti wrote:


You can say wahtever you wan, but the point is Alex acknowledged hes mistake.

Who is the daft?


You are.

Its only right he apologises for his drunken mistake but its not his falt you are taking his joke as a serious call to kill someone.



I watched the tape. It didnt sound like he was joking.

You are implying that this issue is subjective. To you it didnt sound like a joke, to many other people here it did. If this matter is subjective, which you have implied, then it is not as black and white as you have spent many hours making it out to be. As it is subjective, not black and white, or blue for that matter, lets just wait for CCP to make a decision.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#3713 - 2012-03-28 18:46:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranger 1
Giuliano Verti wrote:
Karim alRashid wrote:
Giuliano Verti wrote:

You can say wahtever you wan, but the point is Alex acknowledged hes mistake.

Who is the daft?


It seems you are. He acknowledged the mistake of making a very tasteless joke.


So again... this is a joke too:

Just landed. Step one, apologize profusely. Step two, resign. Step three, send all my isk to the victim. Entirely my fault and unacceptable.

He decide to resign for be a bad joker?

Again... you'r running out of excuses...


Well, it was a reaaaally bad joke. One that could be (and obviously has been) misinterpreted as truly malicious intent.

It was a screw up and he knew it. It in no way indicates that he sincerely wanted the man to die.

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Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3714 - 2012-03-28 18:47:15 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Giuliano Verti wrote:


You can say wahtever you wan, but the point is Alex acknowledged hes mistake.

Who is the daft?


You are.

Its only right he apologises for his drunken mistake but its not his falt you are taking his joke as a serious call to kill someone.


They're not. They're committing faux outrage in an attempt to seize on what they feel is a perceived weakness of Mittani and Goonswarm. Specifically, note that the outrage of this didn't happen until AFTER the CSM7 results came out. This is a manufactured scandal born from the anti-Mittani, anti-Sandbox elements of the game.

That's why we haven't seen any feedback from CCP from this. They literally don't give a flying ****.
Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3715 - 2012-03-28 18:47:19 UTC
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Giuliano Verti wrote:


You can say wahtever you wan, but the point is Alex acknowledged hes mistake.

Who is the daft?


You are.

Its only right he apologises for his drunken mistake but its not his falt you are taking his joke as a serious call to kill someone.



I watched the tape. It didnt sound like he was joking.

You are implying that this issue is subjective. To you it didnt sound like a joke, to many other people here it did. If this matter is subjective, which you have implied, then it is not as black and white as you have spent many hours making it out to be. As it is subjective, not black and white, or blue for that matter, lets just wait for CCP to make a decision.


no its not

when alex (the RL guy) wrote its not acceptable there is nothing more to discuss

i wish that would get into your head

Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!
Ashley SchmidtVonGoldberg
Doomheim
#3716 - 2012-03-28 18:48:17 UTC
Have the Goons given up posting now.

Or have they just switched to their plebbie Alts

Standing in for Karn Dulake who was banned for saying bad words
Prince Kobol
#3717 - 2012-03-28 18:48:21 UTC
Blatant Forum Alt wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Giuliano Verti wrote:


You can say wahtever you wan, but the point is Alex acknowledged hes mistake.

Who is the daft?


You are.

Its only right he apologises for his drunken mistake but its not his falt you are taking his joke as a serious call to kill someone.



I watched the tape. It didnt sound like he was joking.

You are implying that this issue is subjective. To you it didnt sound like a joke, to many other people here it did. If this matter is subjective, which you have implied, then it is not as black and white as you have spent many hours making it out to be. As it is subjective, not black and white, or blue for that matter, lets just wait for CCP to make a decision.


I apologise but since you are a NPC Alt that means your opinion does not matter and therefore you must ignored

Once again I apologise Sad
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#3718 - 2012-03-28 18:48:27 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:


The line in the sand was drawn. Pick a side.


I will pick, as I always do, whichever side I can reap the most rage and tears from.

Little bees are the easiest as they tend to cry the most.

Mr Epeen Cool
Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#3719 - 2012-03-28 18:48:47 UTC
Xython wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Giuliano Verti wrote:


You can say wahtever you wan, but the point is Alex acknowledged hes mistake.

Who is the daft?


You are.

Its only right he apologises for his drunken mistake but its not his falt you are taking his joke as a serious call to kill someone.


They're not. They're committing faux outrage in an attempt to seize on what they feel is a perceived weakness of Mittani and Goonswarm. Specifically, note that the outrage of this didn't happen until AFTER the CSM7 results came out. This is a manufactured scandal born from the anti-Mittani, anti-Sandbox elements of the game.

That's why we haven't seen any feedback from CCP from this. They literally don't give a flying ****.


haha
living in denial is a way to escape consequences, but not for long

Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!
knobber Jobbler
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3720 - 2012-03-28 18:49:33 UTC
Lt Pizi wrote:
knobber Jobbler wrote:
Oh get over it already. Its a game for adults and collecting tears. You bunch of daily mail readers!


You've got the negative media attention now and are going to pressure ccp into making wow in space if you guys aren't careful.


None of you clearly saw the world of darkness interview about permadeath as its no different to this.

noone is talking about ingame things, thats only you

the event happend outside of game , thats the problem



Ok clever dude, did he give a real name? No. Is it any different to 95% of the bad posters on kugu or any of the other eve related public forums say every day? No. Is it any different from the kind of chat that goes off in local chat day in, day out in eve? No.

I'm not condoning his words, it was pretty dumb but take 5 minutes out to think about this, put it in context.