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Why in god's name would you do that CCP ?

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Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#41 - 2012-03-28 14:57:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
Ranshe wrote:

Bloodpetal wrote:

So it would be :

Bloodpetal
CCP Goliath
Crielere
Dog Dingit
Blam Blapper.


It's like it doesn't happen now, because there aren't any players with names starting with S all the way through Z.



urm.

Stargate(
Stargate(
Stargate(

Is pretty alphanumerically unique and something no other player is able to "slip into" because ( are not allowed in name creation.

So no, it didn't happen until today based simply on sorting your column by name.

You knew reliably if you sorted by Name, all the Stargates would be in the Stargate( alphanumerical section of the column with no players interspersed in between.

Now, you'll have to sort amongst 50+ ships, know what the outbound gates are ahead of time, and hope that you select the right name in a column list of 50 blinking glowing neon lit, shiny insane ships trying to kill you.

I'm not recommending going back to the "Stargate(" at all.


I'm saying, add a identifier that sorts them individually. Simply putting (Rancer) would do 2 things. Sort Stargates alphanumerically in the same place, and include a character that players are unable to replicate so people can identify it immediately without having to cross reference 1-2 other columns.


And yes, people are that stupid.


The overview column is used to sort 1 thing for most people. Stuff you can shoot at. The inclusion of stargates and stations as a navigational tool is usually just a last resort for most individuals that do PVP to get your pod out or whatever. There's other interface improvements i"d like CCP to do to make this a happier world for us all which I won't get into here.

Stargates used to have stargate and Stations still do have the station name in it - so that left anything that didn't have an identifier was a player/NPC to shoot. Now the Name column with Stargates interspersed with no identifiers is just confusing the issue for some people.

Where I am.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#42 - 2012-03-28 15:17:58 UTC
Saint Lazarus wrote:
Every time I seen a ship named Stargate (system name), it annoyed hell out of me.

I guess mainly because there must be some people out there dumb enough to fall for it, otherwise people would stop doing it

I don't know why people think this works considering there's a type column right next to the name that is far more relevant.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#43 - 2012-03-28 15:33:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Hey while you are in the text adjustment mode.


How about changing

Asteroid (Veldspar)

to

Veldspar

Needs to be done for all the asteroids (Name field again)


Thanks in advance

Please, pretty pretty please Big smile

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Anton Abo
State War Academy
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-03-28 16:03:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Anton Abo
and what about goind ahead and name things like this :

Station :
[ IV-3 Spacelane Patrol Logistics Support ]

or alteratively, since Roman numbers don't sort well :
[ 4-3 Spacelane Patrol Logistics Support ]


Stargate :
( Crielere )
or
< Crielere >


Asteroids :
* Veldspar *


...

You get the idea.
It allows to easily read what type the object is with only a character. There is plenty of characters available and if needed, you can set up "double char" marking. Like :
|> Crielere <|




I already use this kind of marking to name my bookmarks and it's pretty useful to tell instantly the difference between :
- the sniping BM off gate: >> Crielere @230
- the scanning BM off grid: -(( Crielere @1AU
- the tactical BM: |- Crielere @80
... not to mention temp safes, safes unaligned, deep safes, scanning safes.... :)

(@80 means the BM is 80km from the gate)
Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2012-03-28 16:07:29 UTC
Riper GriM wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Sort by type in scanner now because going byt he name will indeed not work at all.


No but you see, I really liked to name my ships : Stargate (Jita) etc.

I swear to you that it confuses the **** out of people who just make a quick d-scan and don't pay attention to much.

More than once I have been able to drop unnanouced on someone thanks to that.



No it doesnt, becasue poeple have been doing that for years, its not a new and egdy idea son...

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Korsiri
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2012-03-28 16:26:03 UTC
redundancy = bad

I approve this change ^_^
Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#47 - 2012-03-28 17:01:07 UTC
CCP Greyscale wrote:
FWIW, design asked for/approved this change (depending on which timeline you're following), on the basis that having the interesting bit of information at the end of a text string in a limited-column-width situation wasn't very helpful.


It isn't, no, but a lot of people do a sort-by-name on the overview. I personally have one or two overview filters that have stargates on them purposefully, one of which I use almost daily. If I sorted by name, it meant I had all of the stargates in one spot on my overview, and they were really easy to find.

Now, not so much, especially on busy grids or in systems with silly amounts of celestials.

Currently, when you have a route set in your autopilot, only the icon of your next warp destination is marked yellow. If you cannot 'mask' the word "Stargate" from the object names so that they sort-by-name the same as they did before, at the very least, please make all of the text for that object yellow in the overview (much like stations are in the market now) so that it's easy to spot.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque
Kessiaan
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2012-03-28 17:18:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Kessiaan
JeanMichel Bizarre wrote:
Maluscious Melody wrote:
You have stargates on your overview?



Not sure if serious or not.


A lot of people do system navigation solely with the right-click menu.

I keep planets and gates (and usually stations to since there's normally only 1 or 2 in most systems I'm usually in) on my overview 'cause when I have my MWD overheated and I'm trying to GTFO, I really don't want to hassle with a context menu. (also have a tab that shows only useful warp-outs for the same reason. That and navigating in the area around Jita, lol)

I like this change. My name column is only as wide as it is because the word "Stargate" precedes all the gate destinations.

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Lucas Quaan
Goryn Clade
#49 - 2012-03-28 17:29:52 UTC
Anton Abo wrote:
Stargate :
( Crielere )
or
< Crielere >

I too am one of the now Many people™ expressing a desire for this to be implemented post haste.
Defier Orilis
Defiance Eden Initiative
#50 - 2012-03-28 17:50:11 UTC
Dang! I like it...
Ajita al Tchar
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-03-28 18:01:29 UTC
This is an excellent change, I was glad to see it on Sisi Lol

And it's not CCP's fault that some peeveepee-ers are scrubs and fail at overview (really, stargates and stations in the filters that you use for your "pvp" tab..? especially considering that some people are reportedly bad at thinking and targeting/calling targets that aren't stargates, apparently?). Maybe a new thing to learn in addition to "mash buttan", because "adapt or die" is not only something to be shouted at high sec carebears.
Ajita al Tchar
Doomheim
#52 - 2012-03-28 18:08:55 UTC
Actually, CCP, the overview needs fixing and you know it (for example how the AND / OR logic in the states selection doesn't work the way you think it does). But for advanced overview users maybe something like this could be implemented

optionally, you can select the way stuff in your columns appears. For example, every stargate can be formatted to appear in < > (e.g. < Rancer >). All this information is available in the overview already in the form of tags, but perhaps in addition to tags. I think that for many this would be a great usability improvement. Kind of like you can adjust the way ships are displayed when you mouseover them.
Entity
X-Factor Industries
Synthetic Existence
#53 - 2012-03-28 22:38:50 UTC
Gate(Jita)

it's a gate right. short, and also sorts higher up top than Stargate() ;)

or just (Jita) for all I care.

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Lucas Quaan
Goryn Clade
#54 - 2012-03-28 22:43:30 UTC
Let's start with calling you dumb to get that out of the way. All the cool kids are doing it.

Now:
Ajita al Tchar wrote:
And it's not CCP's fault that some peeveepee-ers are scrubs and fail at overview (really, stargates and stations in the filters that you use for your "pvp" tab..?

This doesn't affect me the least in my every-day PVP activities, where I indeed do not have stargates on the overview. My high-sec alt, on the other hand, who lives most of his life with a 'travel' overview containing nothing but gates and stations, is most annoyed with this modification. Seeing as I have not only one, but two such alts, by current CCP logic I now single-handedly constitute Many people™ and we are most emphatically expressing our desire for some sort of identifier in stargate naming conventions that would revert them to their previous behaviour vis-à-vis overview sorting.

We also have OCD and are thus extra sensitive to alterations in our environment, the EVE GUI in particular, although this may or may not be a lie to further my argument by appealing to pity for those of that affliction.
Liz Arji
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#55 - 2012-03-29 06:10:38 UTC
Anton Abo wrote:
and what about goind ahead and name things like this :

Station :
[ IV-3 Spacelane Patrol Logistics Support ]

or alteratively, since Roman numbers don't sort well :
[ 4-3 Spacelane Patrol Logistics Support ]

I already posted that idea 1 or 2 pages before and made a thread for it in the features & ideas section:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=87714

Please also express your support there! =)
Miang Hawwa
Amphysvena
#56 - 2012-03-29 06:28:06 UTC
This has been an excelent change and I like it.

OP is a n00b.
Arkady Sadik
Gradient
Electus Matari
#57 - 2012-03-29 12:17:43 UTC
How about Rens (Stargate) ?
Efraya
V0LTA
OnlyFleets.
#58 - 2012-03-29 12:27:40 UTC
What are these "Stargates" that you speak off?

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Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#59 - 2012-03-29 12:28:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
CCP Greyscale wrote:
FWIW, design asked for/approved this change (depending on which timeline you're following), on the basis that having the interesting bit of information at the end of a text string in a limited-column-width situation wasn't very helpful.



PLEASE consider a change back to (STARGATE).

The overview is just a blur of words now. I spend critical seconds now 'looking' for stargates.

I have no idea who this gives an advantage to.

Did anyone in design actually try playing after this change was made or to test it out ?

My ISK is on the word "No".

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#60 - 2012-03-29 12:31:07 UTC
And here I have been using the Navigation overview setting for the last few years: just stargates and stations.

Rather than sorting by type, sort by icon. Then the next destination in your autopilot route will show up on top because it is yellow.

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