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Endeavour Starfleet

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#121 - 2012-03-25 07:49:01 UTC

Ladie Harlot wrote:

Endeavour Starfleet wrote:

Andski wrote:

Reimbursement programs serve two purposes - they allow members to reship and get back into the fight without worrying about ratting ISK back up to pay for ships, and more importantly, they encourage members for flying the right ships. Your plan would cost us both of those benefits.

I just don't see how. I would assume goons would say. "Doing this allows us to help you. We show you how we spend the goo you give us." And I would assume goons would line up to go goo fishing. And considering the large glob of space you own I don't think fishing ponds would be in short supply.

Are you wanting us to distribute technitium to everybody instead of using the money it generates to fund ship replacement? I honestly can't figure out what you're getting at.

I want yours and everyone's members to make that call. Goons may do it right to start but in the end it needs to be the members that decide if they want to do the thing that gets the goo to make the SRF or make good ole boys rich.

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Andski Science and Trade Institute Caldari State Likes received: 11,585	#122 - 2012-03-25 07:49:56 UTC you're saying some crap about distributing the 4.7 million units of technetium pumped out by our moons every month among 2000 members "here's your 270m stipend ahahahah try not to lose more than a couple maelstroms this month" Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar


Andski Science and Trade Institute Caldari State Likes received: 11,585	#123 - 2012-03-25 07:51:22 UTC also those kinds of distribution programs would be a nightmare to audit, and would thus be hilariously prone to skimming and other bullshit i'm not a director and I'd say "**** that" Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar

Ladie Harlot

Viziam

Amarr Empire

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#124 - 2012-03-25 07:53:25 UTC

Endeavour Starfleet wrote:

Ladie Harlot wrote:

Endeavour Starfleet wrote:

Andski wrote:

Are you wanting us to distribute technitium to everybody instead of using the money it generates to fund ship replacement? I honestly can't figure out what you're getting at.

It would be literally ******** to distribute wealth that way. Plus why would I want to have to ship my monthly allotment of tech to Jita every month to have the money to buy ships when my alliance is willing to do it for me?

As for other alliances...people need to stop being sheep. If you are part of a nullsec alliance that makes money from moon goo and they don't have basic things like ship replacement or make you set your alarm clock for fleets then don't stay in that alliance. Idiots making a ton of money by RMTing alliance assets are only able to do so because their minions allow it.

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Endeavour Starfleet Likes received: 968	#125 - 2012-03-25 07:55:09 UTC Andski wrote: also those kinds of distribution programs would be a nightmare to audit, and would thus be hilariously prone to skimming and other bullshit i'm not a director and I'd say "**** that" That is for alliances to decide. In the end it is the members that get the goo tho. Don't mess with the members

Ladie Harlot

Viziam

Amarr Empire

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#126 - 2012-03-25 07:56:58 UTC

Endeavour Starfleet wrote:

Andski wrote:

also those kinds of distribution programs would be a nightmare to audit, and would thus be hilariously prone to skimming and other bullshit

i'm not a director and I'd say "**** that"

That is for alliances to decide. In the end it is the members that get the goo tho. Don't mess with the members Big smile

No it's for individual members to decide. If you don't like how your alliance's wealth is used then don't remain a member of that alliance.

This is not a difficult concept.

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Endeavour Starfleet

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#127 - 2012-03-25 07:59:28 UTC

Ladie Harlot wrote:

Endeavour Starfleet wrote:

Andski wrote:

also those kinds of distribution programs would be a nightmare to audit, and would thus be hilariously prone to skimming and other bullshit

i'm not a director and I'd say "**** that"

That is for alliances to decide. In the end it is the members that get the goo tho. Don't mess with the members Big smile

No it's for individual members to decide. If you don't like how your alliance's wealth is used then don't remain a member of that alliance.

This is not a difficult concept.

Also not a difficult concept to understand that if members decide not to fish for moon goo you wont get it. And thus change can happen from within instead of using other bullcrap to hold members in.

Andski

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#128 - 2012-03-25 08:02:47 UTC

Endeavour Starfleet wrote:

Andski wrote:

also those kinds of distribution programs would be a nightmare to audit, and would thus be hilariously prone to skimming and other bullshit

i'm not a director and I'd say "**** that"

That is for alliances to decide. In the end it is the members that get the goo tho. Don't mess with the members Big smile

it benefits the non-participating nullbear types who do not go on fleets and opt to do nothing but run anoms for the purpose of getting bigger ships to run anoms in just as much as it benefits the dudes who actually get in fleet to defend our assets

i can assure you that this kind of policy would be wildly unpopular in any alliance

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Ladie Harlot Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 2,561	#129 - 2012-03-25 08:04:16 UTC Endeavour Starfleet wrote: And thus change can happen from within instead of using other bullcrap to hold members in. lol...alliances that try to run as a democracy usually fall apart rather quickly. Space Communism is the way to go. The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

Andski

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#130 - 2012-03-25 08:08:49 UTC

Endeavour Starfleet wrote:

Also not a difficult concept to understand that if members decide not to fish for moon goo you wont get it. And thus change can happen from within instead of using other bullcrap to hold members in.

they said nothing about removing the moon mining mechanic, balancing moon minerals or literally anything that will stop technetium from being retardedly broken

space rocks that you mine for moon minerals with a ship would do nothing to solve the problem because it's a useless shotgun approach and it'd probably just make technetium go down to 50-90k isk/unit, which is still far more than the market value of neodymium (which would also hit rock-bottom)

i.e. we'd still milk tech moons and fight hostile titan fleets over them

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Endeavour Starfleet

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#131 - 2012-03-25 08:09:28 UTC

Andski wrote:

Endeavour Starfleet wrote:

Andski wrote:

also those kinds of distribution programs would be a nightmare to audit, and would thus be hilariously prone to skimming and other bullshit

i'm not a director and I'd say "**** that"

That is for alliances to decide. In the end it is the members that get the goo tho. Don't mess with the members Big smile

Better hope its not unpopular as once moon goo becomes fishing goo you will be without a good chunk of your funds. Yet atleast if the ship fund goes down it will because the members decided it.

Endeavour Starfleet

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#132 - 2012-03-25 08:12:29 UTC

Andski wrote:

Endeavour Starfleet wrote:

Also not a difficult concept to understand that if members decide not to fish for moon goo you wont get it. And thus change can happen from within instead of using other bullcrap to hold members in.

Yes if you would watch the presentation again you will note his comparison of tech moons to ATMs spewing money. He would not have said that unless they plan on removing moon goo.

And value of tech all depends on how easy it is to find in fishing expeditions, how hard it is to bot for said expeditions, and how much war is affecting ability to go on said fishing expeditions across most or all of territory.

Andski

Science and Trade Institute

Caldari State

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#133 - 2012-03-25 08:12:58 UTC | Edited by: Andski

literally nothing that you do to technetium short of an across-the-board rebalancing of moon minerals accompanied by substantial changes to moon mining mechanics would solve the problem as it exists today

throwing more tech moons (or tech sources) into the game would just make neodymium the new bottleneck. R32 alchemy is the only worthwhile bandaid solution.

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Andski Science and Trade Institute Caldari State Likes received: 11,585	#134 - 2012-03-25 08:13:25 UTC IIRC they compared R&D agents to ATMs spewing money Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." - Abrazzar


Endeavour Starfleet Likes received: 968	#135 - 2012-03-25 08:19:06 UTC Andski wrote: IIRC they compared R&D agents to ATMs spewing money If I weren't so tired I would find the video of it and point it out however when he pointed out the moon reference he got a large applause from the crowd. I distinctly heard moon mining and I doubt the crowd cares about agents that much in comparison.

Alavaria Fera

GoonWaffe

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#136 - 2012-03-25 08:39:14 UTC

Andski wrote:

Yes, if people are going to specialize in making money, they should contribute. Similarly those who get on fleets (though TBH so many blueballs) should recieve at least enough to keep them rolling in the (appropriate and reimbursement-approved) fitted ships.

From each according to his ability, to each according to his need.

That said, I really need to work on getting blown up more, I seem to have a great knack for going on blueball ops.

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Endeavour Starfleet Likes received: 968	#137 - 2012-03-27 02:35:19 UTC Ok lets have a discussion about Moon goo instead of countless crap about the CSM. Yes moon mining going buh bye! Discuss...

Nambr1

Republic Military School

Minmatar Republic

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#138 - 2012-03-27 03:23:12 UTC

Andski wrote:

Lexmana wrote:

Tobiaz wrote:

Lexmana wrote:

You are so easily impressed. That fact has been known for years. I am more impressed by the fact most bots are in highsec.

Source?

https://twitter.com/#!/Seleene_EVE/status/183181587096158208/photo/1/large

Majority of bots in Caldari highsec. These are the true highsec ATMs.

ahahaha pubbies actually thought that the majority of bots were in null

so dumb

Same as yesterday. Over 150 000 npcs killed in Deklein. So goons are not valid to blame others for using bots.

El Geo

Warcrows

THE OLD SCHOOL

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#139 - 2012-03-28 17:11:36 UTC

personally i dont think moon goo will be made freely available in highsec via belts, maybe a small amount in lowsec and some higher amounts in nullsec and w-space would make sense, but yeah, keep selling that goo

what do you think a good price to start buying neod and tech for the inevitable spike?

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Mr Vrix

Vrix Nation

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#140 - 2012-03-28 17:38:58 UTC

Ladie Harlot wrote:

Marlona Sky wrote:

It illustrates what the players who participated in the Summer of Rage are capable of.

Remember during the summer of rage when CCP brought the CSM to Iceland for an emergency meeting? If players unsubbing was the only thing responsible for all these great changes that meeting wouldn't have been necessary.

I understand it's hard for some people to give a goon-led CSM credit but in this case it's deserved.

yeah yeah get ya head out of that dark place... that meeting wasnt needed atall, it was a pr stunt wich is all the csm is for..

delaying stuff so ppl would cooldown was there tactic. the crapload of unsubbing opened there eyes in a OMG way

the riot wasnt there to backup csm, most ppl dont believe in csm atall and its offcourse very nice they keep al secret about what they do so that we dont see ccp doesnt listen to them anyways, wel diddnt looked for any info i must fairly say but saying oooh i did it its thanks to me... while its not.. its yust stupid

did they ask csm about titannerf first ? nope
about anythingh ? i doubt that

sometimes they yust feed csm abit to keep them hpy

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