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Hey I'm Down,

An interesting idea, but alas, i'm sorry but I disagree.

First off there is the fitting issues. Several ships are designed to be used in a fleet. Consider for example the Abaddon, a ship that isn't meant to fit an active tank, which is why it gets 5% armor resist bonus. Then consider say a Hyperion which does get an active tank bonus - a ship you rarely see in fleets for exactly that reason. You'd have to change several ships to really make this work.

In addition, many fleet ships already have capacitor issues, and by further increasing the reliance on an active tank as well - you will just end up with everyone fitting way more cap drain on their fleet ships and rolling out Bhaalghorns.

In addition logistics ships can happily be countered by more than just ECM. Cap draining is a real issue if done properly, and if they are at range, sensor dampening, as well as shooting them with good switching shot calling.

Two of the logistics only work while cap shared so removing one causes real issues in a fleet. And ships like Scimitar and Oneiros can be jammed by non Minmitar ECM racials because they don't typically have fitting space and capacitor for ECCM. It's not hard to do, and scimitars themselves are easy to kill if you bring the right tools for the job - i.e. long range webbing and assault frigates, which will happily tear them a new one.

Logistics are already quite time intensive to train properly in themselves - how many people bother to get Logistics V?

Players already have skills that effect logistics - both resistances and buffer are defining factors in how successful logistics ships can be in their role, so pilot fits and skill points truly matter.

In terms of a pilot being more active in a repair scenario, how many pilots actually overload their hardeners properly when being shot at? This changes the repair amount significantly, but not all pilots are savvy enough to do it in the heat of battle or in time, let alone use nanite repair paste mid combat successfully. That's quite a bit of micro management right there, when you're also trying to follow shot calling.

Personally, after flying with Rooks and Kings, I would suggest that bringing more people is not really the solution, but looking at tactics that will cause confusion and break how the logistics team work. I've seen this happen time and time again. There are also clever ways to overload the broadcast stream if you use DPS properly shot calling properly. Quite simply logistics pilots can't keep up, but alas, most shot calling is fairly rigid and predictable.

I think the real issue here is, tactics. And how they are used in fleets. Most fleets are run in a fairly rigid way, which is not how you will break a logistics backed fleet. The trouble isn't in the mechanics of EvE, but in how fleets are working as a team to counter them properly.

Consider the historical differences in infantry tactics between the two great wars. In the first world war, tactics were rigid and inflexible, relying on sheer numbers - exactly as you are suggesting and I guess seeing as a way of 'breaking' the opposition.

By the end of that war, tactics had started to change, to small teams of soldiers working in a far more flexible way, the tactics of which were evolved in the second world war, so that it was no longer about sheer numbers, but how small teams worked together.

We are still in a situation where fleets are run in exactly that same, inflexible, rigid way. To win against logistics you have to think differently than most EvE corps and alliances are currently capable of.

I would suggest the solution is in adapting how fleet leadership, organisation and tactics and brought together in fleets, rather than problems with EvE itself. It is just a matter of FCs and corps evolving, which is why EvE is so brilliant, that it can create this sort of challenge.

Never mind, you edited your post just before I hit the quote button.

on behalf of pl,

shut up yaay

Not emptyquoting

good poast

this thread is full of win..... PL bashing one ot their own. Hillarious.

Def. Made my Morning here.

Yaay has never been accepted into PL as one of our own

edit: one of the ********* fc from defeated alliance for shadoo's private collection for sure

I like this post.

Not empty quoting

Edit: we need more chamans in space