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Regarding the Battlecruiser and Destroyer skill changes
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adopt
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-03-28 16:33:24 UTC
Has CCP got a solid plan for what players will be reimbursed with? I personally would prefer Unallocated SP as some of my characters are not cross trained and have Battlecruisers 5, and I do not want to ruin their skillsheets with 2-3 racial BC that I will not be using.
Drudging
The High and Mighty
#2 - 2012-03-28 16:34:44 UTC
inbl

this information can be discussed elsewhere on the forum.
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#3 - 2012-03-28 16:36:42 UTC
the message is that if you have BC 5 currently you will receive BC 5 across the board. If you have BC 4 then you will receive BC 4 across the board. Same goes for Destroyers.

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Vertisce Soritenshi
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-03-28 16:37:17 UTC
They haven't told us how exactly things are going to go down yet. All we know for sure is that we will still be able to fly what we can fly now. I assume that means they will give us the SP already placed for each skill. I could be wrong.

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ChYph3r
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-03-28 16:37:24 UTC
Drudging wrote:
inbl

this information can be discussed elsewhere on the forum.



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Riddick Liddell
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-03-28 16:38:14 UTC
They haven't said. They did say they were looking for a fair method.

I have BC 5 on all my accounts as well but don't have all 3 Gunnery and missles over all the accounts so I am self restricted to certain CS.

After they make the changes it will be easier to convert to Winmatar in any case. That's really the only logistical viewpoint I took from this.
BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#7 - 2012-03-28 16:41:20 UTC
ibt... oh wait, it's not one of those threads....

Judging from what they've said so far the plan seems to be if you have Battlecruiser 4 when the patch hits, then you'll get Gallente BC 4, Amarr BC 4, etc. If you have Battlecruiser 5, you'll get Gallente BC 5, Amarr BC 5... you get the idea.

I don't think it'll be unallocated SP. The idea seems to be that they want to reimburse you in a way that you can still fly tomorrow what you can fly today. While you may not use those 2-3 racial BC's, you can fly them (by added racial cruiser 3) since you have the BC skill trained. Similarly after the patch, they want you to be able to fly them (by added racial cruiser 3, or whatever), it stays the same after the patch as before.

Unallocated SP wouldn't keep it the same, you could allocate that SP to Caldari Dread skill, which isn't where it was pre-patch. Furthermore, if you have BC5, then that would be 3-4 races of BC5 skillpoints. I don't have enough fingers to add that all up, but I'm pretty sure it's a bunch, much more than they would want to hand out to do with as you please.
Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
#8 - 2012-03-28 16:42:10 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
the message is that if you have BC 5 currently you will receive BC 5 across the board. If you have BC 4 then you will receive BC 4 across the board. Same goes for Destroyers.


This is only logical step.


If they reimburse us for just 1 lvl 5, we still have 3 other skills we needa get back to 5 to be where we're at now.

I know I'll still want all racial BC skills.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#9 - 2012-03-28 16:43:16 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
the message is that if you have BC 5 currently you will receive BC 5 across the board. If you have BC 4 then you will receive BC 4 across the board. Same goes for Destroyers.

It's actually a case of "If you could fly it before you can fly it after the change". So if you're missing a racial cruiser skill you wouldn't get the equivalent BC skill for that race, only the ones you are qualified for. Same goes for Destroyers.

Elsewhere, it's been said the best thing to do is train all frigates to IV, all cruisers to at least III (possibly IV, it's only a few days), and BC and Dessie to V.

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Ager Agemo
Rainbow Ponies Incorporated
#10 - 2012-03-28 16:45:33 UTC
actually come to think about it, he got a point, i have bc5, but i dont fly galente ships, only winmatar, caldari and amarr, if they give me the skills for all the bc5 racial skills, the galente one is a waste of time and SP i could very well use in something else.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#11 - 2012-03-28 16:48:30 UTC
Ager Agemo wrote:
if they give me the skills for all the bc5 racial skills, the galente one is a waste of time and SP i could very well use in something else.

It wouldn't be wasted because you don't qualify for Gallente BCs in the first place. You just wouldn't receive the free SPs.

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adopt
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-03-28 16:52:07 UTC
Ager Agemo wrote:
actually come to think about it, he got a point, i have bc5, but i dont fly galente ships, only winmatar, caldari and amarr, if they give me the skills for all the bc5 racial skills, the galente one is a waste of time and SP i could very well use in something else.


Exactly my point, some of my characters are trained for specific races for selling purposes, so if I am given all race BC 5 on them it'll be a whole waste of SP that they won't use.
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#13 - 2012-03-28 16:54:19 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
if they give me the skills for all the bc5 racial skills, the galente one is a waste of time and SP i could very well use in something else.

It wouldn't be wasted because you don't qualify for Gallente BCs in the first place. You just wouldn't receive the free SPs.



^This was that other half of the message I heard^

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Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-03-28 16:56:16 UTC
How the **** could you ruin your skill sheet by getting free SP ? Think about....if you want to sell your character....it adds value even if you don't have the necessary skills associated with it...the next person that purchase it can finish that. If you are keeping the character....it won't do a damn thing to you at all....so don't fly them and pretend they don't exist...maybe you will decide to fly that one Racial battlecruiser someday and look at that... Done! so all you might need are gun skills.
Famble
Three's a Crowd
#15 - 2012-03-28 16:56:39 UTC
If they do the unallocated SP thing people will quite literally be receiving "free" skill points.

V's across the board is by far the most sensible step.

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BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#16 - 2012-03-28 16:57:03 UTC
adopt wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
actually come to think about it, he got a point, i have bc5, but i dont fly galente ships, only winmatar, caldari and amarr, if they give me the skills for all the bc5 racial skills, the galente one is a waste of time and SP i could very well use in something else.


Exactly my point, some of my characters are trained for specific races for selling purposes, so if I am given all race BC 5 on them it'll be a whole waste of SP that they won't use.


It isn't a waste of SP because it's free SP that you wouldn't have anyway. Look at it this way. If CCP said "we're going to force you to take the time to train these other battlecruisers, you can't train anything else until you can fly what you could before" then it would be a waste of your time. You are spending time training for something you don't want.

What CCP is doing is giving you free skill points (if it works out the way the players here think). They are giving you 4 skills for the price of 1, and that one is something you've already trained, you've already spent the time on. There is no further training needed on your part so it's not a waste of your time. There's nothing new you need to do and nothing further you need to train.

I guess you can argue that it's "wasted" in the sense that you won't use it, true. But think of it like this, they could just give you 1/4th of the SP they would have given you, and let you use it on the BC of your choice. You're in the same spot, you've just declined the free SP for the other 3 races. Sure you might not use it, but why in the world would you do that?
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-03-28 17:01:50 UTC
adopt wrote:
Ager Agemo wrote:
actually come to think about it, he got a point, i have bc5, but i dont fly galente ships, only winmatar, caldari and amarr, if they give me the skills for all the bc5 racial skills, the galente one is a waste of time and SP i could very well use in something else.


Exactly my point, some of my characters are trained for specific races for selling purposes, so if I am given all race BC 5 on them it'll be a whole waste of SP that they won't use.

No, it won't. They are not giving you all the racial skills you don't have, they are adding in and shifting around the BC / Destroyer skill with the intent that it won't disrupt what you can already fly...so if you have BC 5, Destroyer 5, Only Amarr and Minmatar frig + Cruiser....you are not getting Caldari or Gallente BC 5 because you don't have Caldari frig, Gallente Frig, Caldari cruiser, Gallente Cruiser skills. You cannot get what you don't have trained, but if you happen to have all those racial frigs and cruisers you will be getting ALL of the NEW RACIAL only skills.
Marduk Nibiru
Chaos Delivery Systems
#18 - 2012-03-28 17:04:35 UTC
Karl Hobb wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
the message is that if you have BC 5 currently you will receive BC 5 across the board. If you have BC 4 then you will receive BC 4 across the board. Same goes for Destroyers.

It's actually a case of "If you could fly it before you can fly it after the change". So if you're missing a racial cruiser skill you wouldn't get the equivalent BC skill for that race, only the ones you are qualified for. Same goes for Destroyers.

Elsewhere, it's been said the best thing to do is train all frigates to IV, all cruisers to at least III (possibly IV, it's only a few days), and BC and Dessie to V.


Any idea when this is happening?

I'm training a cross-the-board PvP alt and I want to take as much advantage of this as possible. Currently got 3 of 4 cruiser to 4, and dessie/bc at 2. So I need like a month more.
BeanBagKing
The Order of Atlas
#19 - 2012-03-28 17:08:00 UTC
Marduk Nibiru wrote:


Any idea when this is happening?

I'm training a cross-the-board PvP alt and I want to take as much advantage of this as possible. Currently got 3 of 4 cruiser to 4, and dessie/bc at 2. So I need like a month more.


The next patches scheduled are Apr 24 - pre inferno and may 22 - inferno. I don't think they've said which one they're going to do it on, but you have about a month before the first one, might want to start now (I'm wrapping up BC 5 myself).
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#20 - 2012-03-28 17:08:33 UTC
Marduk Nibiru wrote:
Any idea when this is happening?

I'm training a cross-the-board PvP alt and I want to take as much advantage of this as possible. Currently got 3 of 4 cruiser to 4, and dessie/bc at 2. So I need like a month more.

It was stated that it would likely happen after Inferno proper comes out (not the early patch in April, but the big one in May). I personally would have barely squeaked in all BCs to V, leaving Dessie at IV for everybody (still better than nothing!) if it was in April, but it seems we have some time.

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