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Proposal to reduce Jumpclone cooldowns at least to 23h

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Gysele
Cutting Edge Incorporated
#1 - 2012-03-28 16:56:55 UTC
The current jumpclone cooldown is 24h. This leads to a delay if you need to jump daily of some minutes. Sometimes you dont manage to login in time, so its maybe even an hour. This adds up until you can't really login anymore (during night etc) basically loosing a day.

So I propose for us who jump daily to reduce it to 23h to compensate for this.

Of course reducing it to even less woud make Eve a more flexible and elastic place.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-03-28 17:24:10 UTC
Gysele wrote:
The current jumpclone cooldown is 24h. This leads to a delay if you need to jump daily of some minutes. Sometimes you dont manage to login in time, so its maybe even an hour. This adds up until you can't really login anymore (during night etc) basically loosing a day.

So I propose for us who jump daily to reduce it to 23h to compensate for this.

Of course reducing it to even less woud make Eve a more flexible and elastic place.


while I get what your saying...I have trouble understanding why an hour less than the usual timer would make a big difference.

Downtime is only 30 mins....so....???

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Shandir
EVE University
Ivy League
#3 - 2012-03-28 18:42:45 UTC
He's saying it leads to timezone creep for the jump timer.

Day 1: Log in at 11:55, Activate at 12:00
Day 2: Log in at 12:00, Activate at 12:15
Day 3: Log in at 13:00, Activate at 13:05
Day 4: Log in at 11:55, Cannot activate until 13:06
Day 5: Log in at 12:00. Cannot activate until 13:07

There is no way to nudge it back down to your original time without skipping an entire day, so if CCP wants people to be able to jump once per day, it really should be down to 23h or 23:30 timer.

I don't really have this problem myself, but it seems like an obvious usability fix - this is not so much a disadvantage as it is a bit silly and annoying.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-03-28 20:18:02 UTC
Shandir wrote:
He's saying it leads to timezone creep for the jump timer.

Day 1: Log in at 11:55, Activate at 12:00
Day 2: Log in at 12:00, Activate at 12:15
Day 3: Log in at 13:00, Activate at 13:05
Day 4: Log in at 11:55, Cannot activate until 13:06
Day 5: Log in at 12:00. Cannot activate until 13:07

There is no way to nudge it back down to your original time without skipping an entire day, so if CCP wants people to be able to jump once per day, it really should be down to 23h or 23:30 timer.

I don't really have this problem myself, but it seems like an obvious usability fix - this is not so much a disadvantage as it is a bit silly and annoying.


How or what is causing this "time zone creep"?

Never had this issue myself...but then this may be a euro thing or something. (no offense intended)

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ichn
Stoned Clones
#5 - 2012-03-28 23:18:44 UTC
Do the opposite. Increase it to 28 hours so that jumping daily isn't a viable option.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-03-28 23:25:29 UTC
ichn wrote:
Do the opposite. Increase it to 28 hours so that jumping daily isn't a viable option.


Epic Fail Troll.

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Gysele
Cutting Edge Incorporated
#7 - 2012-03-29 15:27:05 UTC
Let me explain. Assume I jump 19:00 in the eveing every day.

I won't be able to do this on the minute, so it creeps back in time by 5-15 minutes every day, sometimes even longer.

So at some point I am only able to jump at midnight or later, or not at all because I am asleep, basically missing one day.

So in order to jump consistently every day the cooldown needs to be 23h.


I would love to have it even shorter but I guess that wishful thinking.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-03-29 16:21:21 UTC
Gysele wrote:
Let me explain. Assume I jump 19:00 in the eveing every day.

I won't be able to do this on the minute, so it creeps back in time by 5-15 minutes every day, sometimes even longer.

So at some point I am only able to jump at midnight or later, or not at all because I am asleep, basically missing one day.

So in order to jump consistently every day the cooldown needs to be 23h.


I would love to have it even shorter but I guess that wishful thinking.


So if I'm getting this clearly....the cause of the "time creep" is your inability to schedule your play time.

Sorry...not supporting.

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Katy Ling
Crimnson Concept Flame
#9 - 2012-03-29 16:38:32 UTC
Gysele wrote:
The current jumpclone cooldown is 24h. This leads to a delay if you need to jump daily of some minutes. Sometimes you dont manage to login in time, so its maybe even an hour. This adds up until you can't really login anymore (during night etc) basically loosing a day.

So I propose for us who jump daily to reduce it to 23h to compensate for this.

Of course reducing it to even less would make Eve a more flexible and elastic place.



if i get what you're trying to say, if you try to clone jump when you come of work/ school/ what ever, at say 17:30 and need to jump, you loose some time login in and jumping ... after some days, you're avatar availability to clone jump is delayed for a considerable time.

shorting the clone jump time availability for a bit makes sense, as it would give you time to catch up with you're RL schedule . +1
Radax Glenn
Church of the Black Hand
#10 - 2012-03-29 20:16:19 UTC
Gysele wrote:
The current jumpclone cooldown is 24h. This leads to a delay if you need to jump daily of some minutes. Sometimes you dont manage to login in time, so its maybe even an hour. This adds up until you can't really login anymore (during night etc) basically loosing a day.

So I propose for us who jump daily to reduce it to 23h to compensate for this.

Of course reducing it to even less woud make Eve a more flexible and elastic place.



Agreed. This would get my vote.
Sephiroth Clone VII
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2012-03-30 04:56:51 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Gysele wrote:
Let me explain. Assume I jump 19:00 in the eveing every day.

I won't be able to do this on the minute, so it creeps back in time by 5-15 minutes every day, sometimes even longer.

So at some point I am only able to jump at midnight or later, or not at all because I am asleep, basically missing one day.

So in order to jump consistently every day the cooldown needs to be 23h.


I would love to have it even shorter but I guess that wishful thinking.


So if I'm getting this clearly....the cause of the "time creep" is your inability to schedule your play time.

Sorry...not supporting.



Some people play the game, not schedule whole life around it.


Even if you time it to the same minute, a delay will still cause it to creep forward in time.
Sarisa Scherwil
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-03-31 11:31:11 UTC
I am a trader and jump daily - optimizing my efforts to make ISK. This would reduce my downtime every month not being able to trade. Supported.

p.s.: I noticed that the "other" MMO not to be mentioned their daily cooldowns are 23h as well most of the time
Tenobia Aybara
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-03-31 12:00:11 UTC
Reduce it to 18 hours.

I log onto eve on an op night, at around 16:00 **** around in home systems for an hour, eat then Clone Jump to the current deployment area at 20:00. I have to leave it so late as there is nothing for me to do solo at the deployment areas (we use corp ships etc, so bringing personal fits for PvE is not viable). This is all well and good, but I can't log on at 16:00 the next day like I normally do, instead ive gotta wait for 20:00 for my clone to jump back home and get to play the game.

an 18 hour timer prevents constant jumping and twice daily jumping whilst allowing gaming sessions to be split between two places!
Psichotic
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-04-03 15:32:32 UTC
Gysele wrote:
Of course reducing it to even less woud make Eve a more flexible and elastic place.


Flexible? Elastic? Eve? Pshaw!

That might lead to FUN. We can't have any of that FUN crap in Eve! Lol
Welsige
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-04-03 16:07:18 UTC

Totally suported.


I would also wish for a shorter timer, but i supose that 23 hours is fine enough.

Everyother place i saw a "daily timer" it usually defaults to 23 hours.

24 hours makes no sense, because you know, "life".

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Cobalt Rookits
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-04-14 04:17:30 UTC
Supported 100%

23h gives some flexibility without actually changing the spirit of the mechanic at all.
Arkon Olacar
black.listed
#17 - 2012-04-14 07:00:44 UTC
I'd even be happy with 23 hours 30 mins, just give us some fllexibility to jump daily without the inevitable creep forward.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#18 - 2012-04-14 19:02:26 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
ichn wrote:
Do the opposite. Increase it to 28 hours so that jumping daily isn't a viable option.


Epic Fail Troll.


Actually.... I think ichn has a very good idea!!!

If they increased the JC timer as he suggested, people would quit using it for everyday bouncing.... Leave it as an every other day thing....
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#19 - 2012-04-14 23:35:25 UTC

Really.... Why do we need to JC every day????

What, you can't be asked to fly, in a flying in space game???

JC's are one of the reasons EvE is sooo small.... I hardly think you need to encourage more JC'ing.... If anything, quite the opposite!!!
Azrael Dinn
Imperial Mechanics
#20 - 2012-04-17 06:18:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Azrael Dinn
Gysele wrote:
The current jumpclone cooldown is 24h. This leads to a delay if you need to jump daily of some minutes. Sometimes you dont manage to login in time, so its maybe even an hour. This adds up until you can't really login anymore (during night etc) basically loosing a day.

So I propose for us who jump daily to reduce it to 23h to compensate for this.

Of course reducing it to even less woud make Eve a more flexible and elastic place.


How about a new sciance skill that you could train up and the skill would reduce the cooldown time up to what ever ccp thinks is right thinking about balance. Tough jumping between clones isn't in my own opinion a huge thing even if you could do it every 12h.

aka this: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=74324&find=unread

After centuries of debating and justifying... Break Cloaks tm

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