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[Proposal] War Dec suggestions
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Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
#1 - 2012-03-25 05:02:10 UTC
I just got done listening to the war dec presentation and I have a couple ideas to make it more hardcore and possible.

Please raise the taxes on NPC Corps on this launch to make more fights possible or make some players ( I realize not all) pay more to avoid them. I believe a review of how a person can stay in a NPC Corp and avoid war decs forever should be done.

Please put a cap on the number of characters you can have in a player corp or review the scaling of prices. The scaling of prices for war decs will make it almost impossible to do so VS the big blocks in 0.0 the way I understood it. I realize many of the people running logistics for 0.0 entities already use NPC corps to avoid war decs but that is another reason to why I ask for NPC Corps to be looked at more.
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-03-25 05:25:10 UTC
Shepard Book wrote:
I just got done listening to the war dec presentation and I have a couple ideas to make it more hardcore and possible.

Please raise the taxes on NPC Corps on this launch to make more fights possible or make some players ( I realize not all) pay more to avoid them. I believe a review of how a person can stay in a NPC Corp and avoid war decs forever should be done.

Please put a cap on the number of characters you can have in a player corp or review the scaling of prices. The scaling of prices for war decs will make it almost impossible to do so VS the big blocks in 0.0 the way I understood it. I realize many of the people running logistics for 0.0 entities already use NPC corps to avoid war decs but that is another reason to why I ask for NPC Corps to be looked at more.


*imitation*
Please break the war dec mechanic even more so for what I feel we should force people to do.
Please force all players to be involved in war dec.

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Sephiroth CloneIIV
Brothers of Tyr
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2012-03-25 06:04:40 UTC
Empire should be safe unless it is greifing sanctioned by concord?

Wardecks should not be constant greifing for people who have no interest in it, if limits to how long you could bribe concord exist, and actual prohibitive costs to declaring it, people wouldn't go the mile to pay 10% taxes in NPC corps.

Make not being in a NPC corp suck less, to draw them away from it.
Leppard
Pepe le Pew Productions
#4 - 2012-03-25 08:49:30 UTC
When i did hear right, the proposal was: The bigger the opponent, the more you pay

I don't think this is the right way. It should be calculated by the member difference between the corps/alliances.

For a big corp/alliance it should be more expensive, to declare war to a far smaller corp/alliance, than to a similar in size.
Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
#5 - 2012-03-25 18:17:44 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Shepard Book wrote:
I just got done listening to the war dec presentation and I have a couple ideas to make it more hardcore and possible.

Please raise the taxes on NPC Corps on this launch to make more fights possible or make some players ( I realize not all) pay more to avoid them. I believe a review of how a person can stay in a NPC Corp and avoid war decs forever should be done.

Please put a cap on the number of characters you can have in a player corp or review the scaling of prices. The scaling of prices for war decs will make it almost impossible to do so VS the big blocks in 0.0 the way I understood it. I realize many of the people running logistics for 0.0 entities already use NPC corps to avoid war decs but that is another reason to why I ask for NPC Corps to be looked at more.


*imitation*
Please break the war dec mechanic even more so for what I feel we should force people to do.
Please force all players to be involved in war dec.


I did not say force people into war decs. I think we should have to pay to avoid them though and not just use a NPC alt. I am posting this from that kind of ALT Lol.
Plaude Pollard
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-03-27 12:42:24 UTC
Shepard Book wrote:
Please put a cap on the number of characters you can have in a player corp

Already exists. You can have as many members as your Corporation Management skills allow you to. No need to put some new limit on it. If anything, make a rule that says that if a corp is at less than 10 members for a set amount of time, their corp is shut down and the members will return to NPC-corps, so they can keep doing their small-gang stuff at their pace. Of course, then people would just pad their corps with no-training alts...

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-03-27 14:24:51 UTC
Shepard Book wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Shepard Book wrote:
I just got done listening to the war dec presentation and I have a couple ideas to make it more hardcore and possible.

Please raise the taxes on NPC Corps on this launch to make more fights possible or make some players ( I realize not all) pay more to avoid them. I believe a review of how a person can stay in a NPC Corp and avoid war decs forever should be done.

Please put a cap on the number of characters you can have in a player corp or review the scaling of prices. The scaling of prices for war decs will make it almost impossible to do so VS the big blocks in 0.0 the way I understood it. I realize many of the people running logistics for 0.0 entities already use NPC corps to avoid war decs but that is another reason to why I ask for NPC Corps to be looked at more.


*imitation*
Please break the war dec mechanic even more so for what I feel we should force people to do.
Please force all players to be involved in war dec.


I did not say force people into war decs. I think we should have to pay to avoid them though and not just use a NPC alt. I am posting this from that kind of ALT Lol.


"I believe a review of how a person can stay in a NPC Corp to avoid war decs forever should be done"

Yeah....riiiiight....whatever you say bro.

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Axis Raikkonen
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#8 - 2012-03-27 14:42:00 UTC
tl;dr: "I should be allowed to force people to play EVE the way I want them to."

No. Next.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-03-27 16:56:58 UTC
Shepard Book wrote:
I just got done listening to the war dec presentation and I have a couple ideas to make it more hardcore and possible.

Please raise the taxes on NPC Corps on this launch to make more fights possible or make some players ( I realize not all) pay more to avoid them. I believe a review of how a person can stay in a NPC Corp and avoid war decs forever should be done.

Please put a cap on the number of characters you can have in a player corp or review the scaling of prices. The scaling of prices for war decs will make it almost impossible to do so VS the big blocks in 0.0 the way I understood it. I realize many of the people running logistics for 0.0 entities already use NPC corps to avoid war decs but that is another reason to why I ask for NPC Corps to be looked at more.


Null Bears will be protected! They are sensitive flowers of pure PvP docking fury!
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-03-27 16:57:43 UTC
Leppard wrote:
When i did hear right, the proposal was: The bigger the opponent, the more you pay

I don't think this is the right way. It should be calculated by the member difference between the corps/alliances.

For a big corp/alliance it should be more expensive, to declare war to a far smaller corp/alliance, than to a similar in size.




I fail to see how this would benefit Null-Bears.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-03-27 17:11:15 UTC
Shepard Book wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Shepard Book wrote:
I just got done listening to the war dec presentation and I have a couple ideas to make it more hardcore and possible.

Please raise the taxes on NPC Corps on this launch to make more fights possible or make some players ( I realize not all) pay more to avoid them. I believe a review of how a person can stay in a NPC Corp and avoid war decs forever should be done.

Please put a cap on the number of characters you can have in a player corp or review the scaling of prices. The scaling of prices for war decs will make it almost impossible to do so VS the big blocks in 0.0 the way I understood it. I realize many of the people running logistics for 0.0 entities already use NPC corps to avoid war decs but that is another reason to why I ask for NPC Corps to be looked at more.


*imitation*
Please break the war dec mechanic even more so for what I feel we should force people to do.
Please force all players to be involved in war dec.


I did not say force people into war decs. I think we should have to pay to avoid them though and not just use a NPC alt. I am posting this from that kind of ALT Lol.



Leave NPC corps alone. If people want to be in them, let them be in them. They already pay for being in them. It called Taxes. Pay to avoid a war? What kinda **** is that? You're the agressor. You pay.

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Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
#12 - 2012-03-28 16:20:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Shepard Book
Montevius Williams wrote:
Shepard Book wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Shepard Book wrote:
I just got done listening to the war dec presentation and I have a couple ideas to make it more hardcore and possible.

Please raise the taxes on NPC Corps on this launch to make more fights possible or make some players ( I realize not all) pay more to avoid them. I believe a review of how a person can stay in a NPC Corp and avoid war decs forever should be done.

Please put a cap on the number of characters you can have in a player corp or review the scaling of prices. The scaling of prices for war decs will make it almost impossible to do so VS the big blocks in 0.0 the way I understood it. I realize many of the people running logistics for 0.0 entities already use NPC corps to avoid war decs but that is another reason to why I ask for NPC Corps to be looked at more.


*imitation*
Please break the war dec mechanic even more so for what I feel we should force people to do.
Please force all players to be involved in war dec.


I did not say force people into war decs. I think we should have to pay to avoid them though and not just use a NPC alt. I am posting this from that kind of ALT Lol.



Leave NPC corps alone. If people want to be in them, let them be in them. They already pay for being in them. It called Taxes. Pay to avoid a war? What kinda **** is that? You're the agressor. You pay.


They only pay taxes if they shoot NPCs correct? They don't pay taxes if it is a person mining, market toon, logistics ( freighters ) ECT... Many people use NPC corps to get around war decs is my point and not all of them pay those taxes you use an excuse.
Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
#13 - 2012-03-28 16:22:31 UTC
Drake Draconis wrote:
Shepard Book wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Shepard Book wrote:
I just got done listening to the war dec presentation and I have a couple ideas to make it more hardcore and possible.

Please raise the taxes on NPC Corps on this launch to make more fights possible or make some players ( I realize not all) pay more to avoid them. I believe a review of how a person can stay in a NPC Corp and avoid war decs forever should be done.

Please put a cap on the number of characters you can have in a player corp or review the scaling of prices. The scaling of prices for war decs will make it almost impossible to do so VS the big blocks in 0.0 the way I understood it. I realize many of the people running logistics for 0.0 entities already use NPC corps to avoid war decs but that is another reason to why I ask for NPC Corps to be looked at more.


*imitation*
Please break the war dec mechanic even more so for what I feel we should force people to do.
Please force all players to be involved in war dec.


I did not say force people into war decs. I think we should have to pay to avoid them though and not just use a NPC alt. I am posting this from that kind of ALT Lol.


"I believe a review of how a person can stay in a NPC Corp to avoid war decs forever should be done"

Yeah....riiiiight....whatever you say bro.



Thanks for the support!
Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
#14 - 2012-03-28 16:25:12 UTC
Plaude Pollard wrote:
Shepard Book wrote:
Please put a cap on the number of characters you can have in a player corp

Already exists. You can have as many members as your Corporation Management skills allow you to. No need to put some new limit on it. If anything, make a rule that says that if a corp is at less than 10 members for a set amount of time, their corp is shut down and the members will return to NPC-corps, so they can keep doing their small-gang stuff at their pace. Of course, then people would just pad their corps with no-training alts...


Good point. I am curious how much a wardec would be against a capped out corp. I do think it should take into account how many members the attackers have though as far as the cost VS a huge Corp.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-03-28 23:35:14 UTC
Shepard Book wrote:
Montevius Williams wrote:
Shepard Book wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Shepard Book wrote:
I just got done listening to the war dec presentation and I have a couple ideas to make it more hardcore and possible.

Please raise the taxes on NPC Corps on this launch to make more fights possible or make some players ( I realize not all) pay more to avoid them. I believe a review of how a person can stay in a NPC Corp and avoid war decs forever should be done.

Please put a cap on the number of characters you can have in a player corp or review the scaling of prices. The scaling of prices for war decs will make it almost impossible to do so VS the big blocks in 0.0 the way I understood it. I realize many of the people running logistics for 0.0 entities already use NPC corps to avoid war decs but that is another reason to why I ask for NPC Corps to be looked at more.


*imitation*
Please break the war dec mechanic even more so for what I feel we should force people to do.
Please force all players to be involved in war dec.


I did not say force people into war decs. I think we should have to pay to avoid them though and not just use a NPC alt. I am posting this from that kind of ALT Lol.



Leave NPC corps alone. If people want to be in them, let them be in them. They already pay for being in them. It called Taxes. Pay to avoid a war? What kinda **** is that? You're the agressor. You pay.


They only pay taxes if they shoot NPCs correct? They don't pay taxes if it is a person mining, market toon, logistics ( freighters ) ECT... Many people use NPC corps to get around war decs is my point and not all of them pay those taxes you use an excuse.


Ok, well instead of forcing people in Wardecs, have people pay a mandatory monthly tax fee for being in an NPC corp + tax mission/bounty. Make them pay for being in the NPC corp in the first place (almost like a station office rental fee for player corps).

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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-03-28 23:40:14 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:
Ok, well instead of forcing people in Wardecs, have people pay a mandatory monthly tax fee for being in an NPC corp + tax mission/bounty. Make them pay for being in the NPC corp in the first place (almost like a station office rental fee for player corps).


So long as it expoentially makes war decs more expensive for said penalty.Roll

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Belshazzar Babylon
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-04-01 21:05:36 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:

Ok, well instead of forcing people in Wardecs, have people pay a mandatory monthly tax fee for being in an NPC corp + tax mission/bounty. Make them pay for being in the NPC corp in the first place (almost like a station office rental fee for player corps).



I pay my NPC Corps taxes and my subscription. I feel at home in my NPC Corp. Why should I pay monthly iskies on top of that?
Psichotic
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-04-03 15:49:38 UTC
"Belshazzar Babylon" wrote:

I pay my NPC Corps taxes and my subscription. I feel at home in my NPC Corp. Why should I pay monthly iskies on top of that?

Because you have 2 consecutive Zs in your name. Everyone with 2 consecutive Zs in their name should pay extra isk. In fact, anyone whose name doesn't start with "Psi" and end with "tic" should pay extra. What?

Seriously, this sounds like a great solution to a non-existent problem.

Dutarro
Ghezer Aramih
#19 - 2012-04-04 04:32:13 UTC
I somewhat agree with the OP. Belonging to a player corp incurs the risk of war declarations, to which NPC corp members are immune, so it is only fair that a player corp should also have some economic benefits over an NPC corp. 10% tax is really not that significant.

However, that could be accomplished with buffs to the player corp, rather than penalties to the NPC corp. More carrot, less stick.
Forumgirl
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-04-05 22:38:56 UTC
Fix wardecs by removing anonymity from public station services. If a pilot/corp uses a public lab or production slot, put their name up on the Science & Industry display. If they place a buy/sell order, put their name on the market display. This will allow aggressive (griefer) corps to focus attacks on productive corps that either have a reason to fight, or have the money to hire someone to fight in their place. It will make being extremely productive carry the risk of someone else noticing. It may even spark conflict, coercion, or cooperation among competitors. This sounds like eve.

For those that insist on staying in NPC Megacorps, make them pay the kind of broker and station service fees befitting a representative of a hugely rich organization. If placing market orders, using station slots, or refining ore/loot carried fees akin to the 11% mission tax, it would allow new or very casual members to give these activities a try, while those that were ready to set up shop, and make a business out of it, would have to join or make a player corp in order to be competitive.
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