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Why in god's name would you do that CCP ?

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Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-03-28 12:28:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Karl Planck wrote:


GASP!

FAN-F*CKING-TASTIC


I couldn't have said it any better, I was looking at this yesterday just wishing they would do this.

Now if CCP could just increase the number of Icons to be more meaning full on the overview then just cruiser , industrial then life would be grand.

Then just look at icon see ship type (ie Amarr logistics) glance at pilot name and call primary :)

EVERYBODY KNOWS
evereplicant
Doomheim
#22 - 2012-03-28 12:29:35 UTC
Karl Planck wrote:
malaire wrote:
Riper GriM wrote:
World Shaping
Stargates are now named solely for their destination. This means it will now display 'Destination' rather than 'Stargate(destination)'.

WHY ?

Reason is probably that you can see destination name without needing wide Name-column.



GASP!

FAN-F*CKING-TASTIC



think its a good idea actually
Solj RichPopolous
Silent Havok.
H A R D L I N E R S
#23 - 2012-03-28 13:10:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Solj RichPopolous
Swear people will cry about ANYTHING. Make a gate filter and new tab on your overview if its such a big deal and then shut up.

(in hindsight i probably realize 75% of eve idiots still don't know how to make a filter properly reason being alliance blobbers or empire dwellers)
Adunh Slavy
#24 - 2012-03-28 13:18:13 UTC
TheBlueMonkey wrote:
soo.... stargates will not longer be grouped if I sort by name.... nice... that's handyStraight



Sort by icon?

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Jita WillBurn
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#25 - 2012-03-28 13:19:22 UTC
Why not do both?

Seriously...

Give us the option to turn on the usless word stargate, or turn it off.
Miss Whippy
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-03-28 13:21:35 UTC
CCP Prism X wrote:
Riper GriM wrote:
WHY ?


Many people had expressed their desire to return back to the old, pre first attempt at localization, representation of stargate names which is what we are doing. I jumped at it because I dislike having an icon for a type on the overview and then the typeName in both the itemName and the typeName fields.

Are there any specific areas where you think you could confuse a stargate name with a solar system name without having any other visual context to differentiate between them? I'd be more than willing to look into it once everything is good and stable.


How about just designing the whole thing? Yes, EVE's UI really is that bad.

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Jagga Spikes
Spikes Chop Shop
#27 - 2012-03-28 13:25:09 UTC
i love the change. good work.
Hakaru Ishiwara
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-03-28 13:28:39 UTC
CCP Prism X wrote:
Riper GriM wrote:
WHY ?


Many people had expressed their desire to return back to the old, pre first attempt at localization, representation of stargate names which is what we are doing. I jumped at it because I dislike having an icon for a type on the overview and then the typeName in both the itemName and the typeName fields.

Are there any specific areas where you think you could confuse a stargate name with a solar system name without having any other visual context to differentiate between them? I'd be more than willing to look into it once everything is good and stable.
Did I just interpret this correctly in that you made this change because of technical clarity rather than usability studies or UAT which pointed towards a necessary change to make the game more playable or the UI better from a player's perspective?

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CCP Prism X
C C P
C C P Alliance
#29 - 2012-03-28 13:31:34 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Prism X
Hakaru Ishiwara wrote:
Did I just interpret this correctly in that you made this change because of technical clarity rather than usability studies or UAT which pointed towards a necessary change to make the game more playable or the UI better from a player's perspective?


No, what made you think that? I asked specifically for use cases where this could be confusing due to lack of other contextual identifiers... Question

CCP Prism X

Programmer on Team Gridlock & Expert Ranter
Saint Lazarus
Spiorad ag fanaiocht
#30 - 2012-03-28 13:40:56 UTC
Every time I seen a ship named Stargate (system name), it annoyed hell out of me.

I guess mainly because there must be some people out there dumb enough to fall for it, otherwise people would stop doing it
JeanMichel Bizarre
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#31 - 2012-03-28 13:53:31 UTC
Maluscious Melody wrote:
You have stargates on your overview?



Not sure if serious or not.

Dangerzone
Callic Veratar
#32 - 2012-03-28 14:07:47 UTC
Stealth nerf to target by alphabetical FCing.
Stellar Vix
State War Academy
Caldari State
#33 - 2012-03-28 14:13:11 UTC
Riper GriM wrote:
CCP Prism X wrote:
Riper GriM wrote:
WHY ?


Many people had expressed their desire to return back to the old, pre first attempt at localization, representation of stargate names which is what we are doing. I jumped at it because I dislike having an icon for a type on the overview and then the typeName in both the itemName and the typeName fields.

Are there any specific areas where you think you could confuse a stargate name with a solar system name without having any other visual context to differentiate between them? I'd be more than willing to look into it once everything is good and stable.


Nope, I was more hoping that people would confuse my ship with a stargate when skimming through their d-scan.

So all in all, the change is probably welcome by most. I myself dislike it because it will probably affect my possibility to ambush people. But that's just me really.



Unfortunate for you I have item type as first column.

-Vix

SWA Instructor, Commander Select Currently being blamed as SWA's CEO SWA PVP Program
Cindy Marco
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#34 - 2012-03-28 14:14:12 UTC
I'm very happy with this change.
Vyktor Abyss
Abyss Research
#35 - 2012-03-28 14:27:54 UTC
There's some real numpties in thsi thread...

It is a befeficial change which arrived pretty quick after I moaned about it (within 2 months iirc). Since I moaned a bit I think it is fair that CCP deserve credit for getting this issue 'fixed' and giving us a more intuitive interface/overview.

Moaners should just sort on type and shudduppatharfaces.
CCP Greyscale
C C P
C C P Alliance
#36 - 2012-03-28 14:40:54 UTC
FWIW, design asked for/approved this change (depending on which timeline you're following), on the basis that having the interesting bit of information at the end of a text string in a limited-column-width situation wasn't very helpful.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#37 - 2012-03-28 14:45:19 UTC
CCP Prism X wrote:
Riper GriM wrote:
WHY ?


Many people had expressed their desire to return back to the old, pre first attempt at localization, representation of stargate names which is what we are doing. I jumped at it because I dislike having an icon for a type on the overview and then the typeName in both the itemName and the typeName fields.

Are there any specific areas where you think you could confuse a stargate name with a solar system name without having any other visual context to differentiate between them? I'd be more than willing to look into it once everything is good and stable.


I'm more concerned about sorting in a PVP situation and then having random stargate names scattered amongst player names rather than all bunched up under the Stargate name.

So it would be :

Bloodpetal
CCP Goliath
Crielere
Dog Dingit
Blam Blapper.


I know there's an icon and everything, but when you're focusing on a list of multi colored insane voodoo magic - which one is the player, which one is the solar system?

Just saying.

Not everyone has the Type column showing (especially noobs because you don't default that column on afaik?)

Anyways - I don't think this is some terribad move or anything, but I think it might throw people off.

Where I am.
Bloodpetal
Tir Capital Management Group
#38 - 2012-03-28 14:47:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Bloodpetal
CCP Greyscale wrote:
FWIW, design asked for/approved this change (depending on which timeline you're following), on the basis that having the interesting bit of information at the end of a text string in a limited-column-width situation wasn't very helpful.


I do agree with this. However, having a visual identifier to set them apart from other things, such as a players name, might be incidentally nice.

Also, think about all the people who are going to name their Character

"Rancer Stargate"

To throw off all the people who are now going to try and warp to Rancer Stargate, hoping that players' columns aren't wide enough to show the full name and try and warp to another player in vain instead of actually warping to Rancer.

"Your warp drive can not lock onto that object!"
"Your warp drive can not lock onto that object!"
"Your warp drive can not lock onto that object!"
"Your warp drive can not lock onto that object!"

WARP DAMN YOUUUUU!!!

(Crielere is a better example since that's an outbound of Rancer, but you get my point. People are more likely to want to GTFO than go into Rancer. At least by the time they figure out why it was a bad idea. Pirate )

So, throw something in there that isn't allowed in player characters. Such as:

(Rancer)
*Rancer
$Rancer

I dont know, you're the designers.

Think more like PVPers and Griefers. :p

And now think about all the whining and bitching YOU would have to hear from all the people that get suckered by PVPers and Griefers because of your interface design.

And now think which is less stressful to fix now than later. Cool

Where I am.
Victor Valka
Insterstellar Mining and Manufacturing
#39 - 2012-03-28 14:48:21 UTC
CCP Prism X wrote:
Riper GriM wrote:
WHY ?


Many people[citation needed] had expressed their desire to return back to the old, pre first attempt at localization, representation of stargate names which is what we are doing.
Lol
Ranshe
Blackwater Task Forces
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2012-03-28 14:53:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Ranshe
Riper GriM wrote:
Ranshe wrote:
Riper GriM wrote:
I myself dislike it because it will probably affect my possibility to ambush people. But that's just me really.


Or you could, you know, just rename your ships?


I think people might pay more attention to a ship with a single name like Jita or Rens than Stargate (Jita) or Stargate (Rens).

99% sure about that.


Are people really that dumb? I mean, there's a bloody type column on the directional scanner, showing your ship type instead of stargate, right there. I think you don't even have to enable it.

Bloodpetal wrote:

So it would be :

Bloodpetal
CCP Goliath
Crielere
Dog Dingit
Blam Blapper.


It's like it doesn't happen now, because there aren't any players with names starting with S all the way through Z.