EVE General Discussion

Appalling. Mortifying. Embarrassing off the scale. Like lap dogs. Someone sets down a dish of milk, folks peeing all over each other to get a taste. This is so tastelessly obvious, I have to cringe. "What would you like to do, kiddies?"

When do we get our bubblegum?

Even though PVP is my bread & butter, recently I've tried (and really enjoyed) Incursions. I've also been running epic mission arcs and cosmos missions to get the fancy storyline loot and standings gain.

i wanted to try FW but didn't found preys after joining
i wanted to do production, but it's really hard to find a free spot
i wanted to mine, but I fell asleep

i wanted to try sov nullsec but... well no i tried it finally... after 4 years

oh yeah, i wanted to have citizens on my PI planets, but you didn't offered that :P

i wanted to pvp without waiting one hour for something, but still haven't found a solution...

-i wanted to live in nullsec, but its essentially pointless and ive had nothing but crap luck. every time ive ever moved out there, ive had to move within two weeks.
-i wanted to try fw, but it has no point
-i wanted to try to mission, but its boring as hell and i don't do it outside of needing standings
-i wanted to live in wh space, but starbases are utterly stupid and too much of a pain in the ass. at one point i managed five of them. **** that idea.
-i wanted to see the other quarters and maybe run a bar of my own or something, but you haven't gotten around to that yet
-ive wanted to live in my own deadspace pocket, ala greyscale's 'smallholdings' idea, but it isnt even being developed yet
-ive wanted to see what it looks like inside sleeper structures, but incarna isn't anywhere near that level of functionality
-ive wanted to be a bounty hunter, but your bh system is ****
-ive wanted to do highsec wardecs, but your empire war/criminal system is ****, its pointless
-i wanted to try PI, but its honestly not worth the effort. profit margins are too small/non existant to start with, its all at the high end and that just requires a bit too much effort
-i wanted to send bookmarks to my corp when i was a CEO of another corp, but bookmark system is litterally 16th century and you have to do it manually.
edit:
-ive wanted to join a proper npc faction corp, eg, the angel cartel, or the federation navy, or... you get the idea.
hmmm... that covers it, for now..

FW has always been on my list, and for ALL of the reasons you listed above.

What part of flying in space doesn't work? I'm not being facetious. I see responses like this and honestly wonder what is so broken from a year ago that you can't undock, going flying in space, and shoot people in the face.

The biggest issue I see is that the DRF are steamrolling null sec with their super capitals.

FW is still great for small gang pvp, but that's all.

I'd like to see pirate factions and meaningful occupancy system. The problems are well-known (balancing, mission farming, etc.), 100s of threads are already on the forums.

The original vision was great. Maybe read this great dev blog from 2007.

What am I interested in trying in EVE?

I want to try living in NPC null sec for the majority of my time.

I've tried most things from high, to low and out in null a few times. What interests me the most is the stuff that I can do either solo, while competing against others, or with a small group of friends. The big alliance thing doesn't appeal to me anymore because I have no interest in being a grunt and working on another player's schedule. Yes, I'm one of those overweight, middle aged men, as it was so thoughtfully brought up a few posts ago. I have the wife, kid and mortgage to take care of. But, I also pay my subs and sell some PLEX so I figure I'm a good EVE citizen and get something in return as well.

I'm interested in trying out drug production but I have been waiting for the changes to boosters and smuggling that were supposed to have been part of Incarna. My mistake for waiting I suppose.

I'm done with high sec but the things you need to do to make low and null more interesting to me is on your whiteboard of 0.0 changes. If you keep low sec in mind as you further develop that list I think you'll take care of a lot of improvements that I'm interested in for low sec.

• New booster improvements and smuggling changes.
• Smallholdings, specifically the concepts brought up for individual pilot residences that are tough to find.
• Improved exploration, more randomization, more discovering back story.
• Make mining interesting. Scrap the idea that it is an AFK activity.Make low-sec mining possible and profitable.
• Finish Incarna and provide activities to do while I'm 'boots on deck'.

Yes, I'm primarily a PvE pilot but this is EVE. Outside of 1.0 there is an ever increasing need to be prepared for PvP and that keeps things interesting. I love the fact that there are so many different ways to live in New Eden and even shift between them as interests change.

I did Faction Warfare for a long time.


Please hear me, as I consider myself a relatively wise individual into the nature of the human conundrum...


PVP in FW in itself does not "Gain" you anything other than "PVP". Which is satisfactory for people who only care about PVP - but there's other PVP opportunities that truly GAIN you something (and I don't mean some measly LP per kill).



People want to know they're changing something - and the reality is that the FW "conquest" system doesn't have anything to do with PVP or faction warfare - and it's time consuming and doesn't promote PVP in and of itself - it isn't directed and doesn't create fun PVP - it create players spending 1,000 of hours in a plex to gain NOTHING (FW control means nothing).


Look at other games that have perpetual "Faction" fighting - and they either gain the space in a meaningful way (enemies can't spawn there- relate to docking) and so on. So, your territory means totally nothing.

The only people who perpetually pursued the FW Plex fighting system were Roleplayers - because to them the "Amarr Losing To the Minmatar" meant something on paper - for the sake of roleplay, but nothing beyond that. Having witnessed these RP corporations, they were the most staunch and determined supporters waiting for CCP to acknowledge that their effort would be valuable or an improvement to the FW Plex conquest system - but never got it - and they're now the most discouraged about it.


FW should mix Roleplay - Mix Conquest of value (akin to 0.0 on a smaller scale) - and should make people excited to play - it should be a stepping stone, but it shouldn't be one that is such a deterrent that it is INEVITABLE that players will HAVE to leave no matter what. That is what happened - the system was designed to be short term - it's a shock that it survived for a couple years on sheer determination of those pilots who loved the idea of faction fighting. But, it gave nothing more back. It was going to die - it had to die, because a system designed to NOT retain players will eventually lose all the players that make it valuable.

Just as the Null Sec changes are recognizing that the Fleet Commanders are the special people that make 0.0 sov warfare possible because it's a rare and powerful skillset that only THE PLAYER can have, you have to recognize that on ALL aspects of EVE - that it isn't the "EVE Players" that make somethings special or amazing, it's a select few that make it special and amazing for everyone. And RETAINING those players creates the opportunities and special beauty of EVE possible.

In FW, this means retaining the RP corps, giving them not "fluff" RP crap - but real value in game terms for retaining the FW war - conquest, sovereignty, meaningful conflict - and then they will maintain the "War" and the "Story" while the other players come through and make it interesting and involved by providing the bodies and the greatness.

To me, the RP elements of EVE are fun but not MY personal focus, but I give a shout out to those who do find RP to be their main focus AND to find ways to express it through the EVE lens.

The problem with FW is it doesn't accomplish anything - blowing up SHIPS isn't what EVE is about - Blowing up SHIPS for a PURPOSE is what EVE Is about - to overcome conflict, to overcome a challenge and not get an "ISK" reward, but a satsifying perception that you have ACCOMPLISHED the impossible, the difficult, the surreal in an environment that is hard. THat is satisfying. It's the same thing for null sec - but in FW you're talking about a different part of EVE, the one that deals with the EVE story of the factions, of the capsuleers in those factions, and the story of the Empires - while the Null Sec story is about forging into the unknown and facing the monolith of other alliances intent on disposing of you.

FW is a great part of EVE - it's currently dead and was set for failure since the first day the system was implemented - a system designed to have a short lifespan. That lifespan came to an end about 6 months ago. It is filled with few to little corporations worth mentioning, no FC's worth mentioning, and without fighters on both sides of the battle - inevitably, the whole house of cards falls apart.

Live in a wormhole.