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EVE, gone GRIEFING

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Nate Guralman
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2012-03-28 12:22:30 UTC
I'm a big-time carebear. I have alts that run a small mining corp (hulks, orcas, the works). I've never been to 0.0, I'm terrified while I'm in low sec, and I'm horrible at PVP. Hell, I created this character for the sole purpose of getting over my PVP phobia (I joined RvB as a form of therapy).

I see *nothing* wrong with griefers going after hulks in high-sec, and I support it 100%. This is EVE Online. It's what the whole game is about.

Doddy
Excidium.
#62 - 2012-03-28 12:24:25 UTC
Even if it was one guy he killed every time it wouldn't be griefing, so how can killing all these different guys be griefing?
Buck Futz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2012-03-28 12:25:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Buck Futz
I think that guy is an amateur, but we need more like him.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#64 - 2012-03-28 12:28:30 UTC
Kyle Yanowski wrote:
Sokniw wrote:
they can warp away.. eve is like real life, who is to stop anyone from doing anything.. concord is there to enforce.. he kills a hulk.. he looses his ship. you rob a bank you go to jail..




The original poster has a point. You, however, are misguided.

A hulk can,t warp away, because of the hulks terrible align time and acceleration. And a hulk cannot tank an overheated catalyst.... No matter the tank configuration.

Bottom line, since the catalyst revisions, they are now the #1 ship of choice for highsec ganking. This was an oversight, and it should be addressed.


A catalyst can burn through 30k EHP in the time it takes concord to come in, I doubt that
Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#65 - 2012-03-28 12:29:00 UTC
I say, who gives a crap. If these miners can't protect themselves then they should die. There is no excuse. None.
Buck Futz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2012-03-28 12:30:47 UTC
LOL. at all the Hulk pilots who don't bother with a tank and the whine when they are killed by a 1 M ISK Catalyst.
Doddy
Excidium.
#67 - 2012-03-28 12:31:13 UTC
Kyle Yanowski wrote:
Sokniw wrote:
they can warp away.. eve is like real life, who is to stop anyone from doing anything.. concord is there to enforce.. he kills a hulk.. he looses his ship. you rob a bank you go to jail..




The original poster has a point. You, however, are misguided.

A hulk can,t warp away, because of the hulks terrible align time and acceleration. And a hulk cannot tank an overheated catalyst.... No matter the tank configuration.
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This is nonsense, a maxed catalyst overheating with everything going perfectly (not even possible) can only pump out about 10 - 12k damage before concord arrives. Even a normal hulk fit with a damage control will survive that (17k ehp +). It deosn't even need to run its booster. Hulks die because people want to go afk as long as possible and fit expanders and cargo optimisations. So they can play afk. So they can play afk. So they can play afk.
Alxea
Unstable Pirate Sharks Of The Damed Sea
#68 - 2012-03-28 12:36:10 UTC
TravisWB wrote:
Sadly, this game has degenerated into a hisec griefest.

Just look at this KB record. This isn't PVP, this isn't antibot.

It is griefing pure and simple.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=18178&m=3&y=2012

The above is the second account of this player:

http://eve-kill.net/?a=pilot_detail&view=kills&plt_id=216803&m=3&y=2012

If CCP can't see that there is a problem here, this game is in trouble.

This is just one player griefing a single system.

Multiply this by a few score more just like him and you might begin to understand why entire regions are now devoid of miners.

EVE, nothing but grief.


Eve is hard, adapt or die, get over it. I myself am actually building dozens of tornados to take out a whole lot of exhumers. Once they are done I am going to flood my KB with dead miners. XD Preparing for it has just taken a few days longer then expected. But this is a part of the sand box and CCP has said in fanfest they are not going to lie. EVE IS HARD! You want a place to have somebody hold your hand, go play WOW! Pirate
Buck Futz
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#69 - 2012-03-28 12:38:15 UTC
Miners in another forum were actually lobbying for ---extra midslots for Hulks.

A) They don't use the slots anyway - or fill them with Civilian Boosters and Cap Rechargers.
B) Its not how many slots you have - its what you can fit in them.

Hilarious idiocy.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#70 - 2012-03-28 12:39:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Krixtal Icefluxor
I contacted CCP about this as I was suspicious of his ability to repair his sec status, with such rapidity.

Apparently I was not the first to do so, and 'the matter is being investigated for possible mechanical exploit'.

I guess we will know the answer in a few days or so.

I'm curious as to what this guy discovered....not that it will be handy once we find out.........oh well.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-03-28 12:40:13 UTC
Well griefing is directly related to 0.0

As more PvPr's get chased out of null-sec or get bored they come to high-sec to vent there frustrations.

0.0 has become entirely too stable.

Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#72 - 2012-03-28 12:42:00 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Well griefing is directly related to a**hats.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882

XJennieX
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2012-03-28 12:50:41 UTC
look at all the internet tough guy griefers and gankers hurf blurf here. with more and more people killed in every day there will be point where ccp will see correlation between player numbers that quit and what is happening, and guess what happens then? you will be happy if you can fire a gun anymore in highsec in any circumstance against other player. and i will be smiling.
Alxea
Unstable Pirate Sharks Of The Damed Sea
#74 - 2012-03-28 12:51:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Alxea
Xen Solarus wrote:
Why go to the part of eve where PvP is allowed and encouraged?

Oh yeah, thats right, targets in high-sec don't shoot back. Oh and its pretty much risk-free isk.

Gankers can't handle "actual" PvP, its as simple as that. Why bother when you can make yourself feel awesome with all those defenceless kills?

Forcing PvP onto those not interested in it, as well as newer players, is ultimately harming eve's continued development. What incentive do carebears and new players have to naturally move to low and null sec? They're already getting pwned in high by people collecting tears for their own amusement.

I for one believe that eve has two sides, equally important, PvP and PvE. Whatever side players get their enjoyment should be respected. PvP players have most of the galaxy to do their thing, and PvE players are happy in empire doing all those boring things, mining, hauling, making stuff, playing with spreadsheets etc. Thats what makes eve so awesome, that it is vast in its application, and people can get from it what they put in, and what they enjoy.

Never quite understood this vendeta that many PvP players have towards carebears, other than as i stated they don't shoot back. Personally, i think gankers have forced the issue. I now welcome and look forward to changes that make their life increasingly difficult. They might actually have to, "GASP!", fight people that fight back? OMG!

Of course, my opinion changes instantly if they actually fix the bounty system, but i think we all know by now thats never going to happen. Having a possible responce to ganking for players with no interest in PvP would justify ganking imo.


This is obviously a playstyle you don't like. We pay isk to get a kill because its fast and doesn't take hours. Your wrong about a lot of things. S-Gankers can fight people in real pvp, 90% of my kills are in lowsec and 0.0 in small gangs and solo, I don't have to prove myself anymore what I am capable of just because I change my playstyle due to time restrictions. Miners make themselves targets because they want a passive way to make isk where they can afk themselves into billionairs.

Eve is a sandbox and we do whatever we want to make isk or take things away from others. There are many forms of piracy and stealing. We may also just like to blow stuff up for the kicks or to get the tears out of others. You can be mad all you like bro. Nothing can stop us playing how we want to play the game. I am a serial murderer type of pirate and I love getting away with it. This is who I am in the game I play as a character. I have been many things. I am just playing this style more then I have in the past.

Maybe when they fix lowsec it will be fun again, but I got tired of the docking games and the time it takes to get a good fight. Now I just go to highsec and get a kill with some pocket change, make a little profession out of it, and battle time.

A -10.0 is not an easy life but I manage quite well. All you highsec huggers have no idea because you think being in the safety of highsec with all your NPC isk making is the hard life. You would be so wrong. Carebears are people who only care about themselves for personal gane and could care less of anybody else.

We are the solution to the carebear infection because we are the cure! Twisted
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#75 - 2012-03-28 12:59:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Kyle Yanowski wrote:
The original poster has a point. You, however, are misguided.

A hulk can,t warp away, because of the hulks terrible align time and acceleration. And a hulk cannot tank an overheated catalyst.... No matter the tank configuration.
Ehm… So overheated catalysts can deliver 1000 DPS now (which is what's needed to eat through 30k EHP in 30 seconds before CONCORD says hello…)? Wow. I need to recheck my fits.

Also, hulks can warp away just fine as long as they stay aligned. That's the whole point of aligning, after all…

Alxea wrote:
A -10.0 is not an easy life but I manage quite well. All you highsec huggers have no idea because you think being in the safety of highsec with all your NPC isk making is the hard life. You would be so wrong. Carebears are people who only care about themselves for personal gane and could care less of anybody else.
…though you'd have to admit that it would be harder still of said carebears would actually take advantage of that -10 status and kill you. Granted, that will never ever happen, but still — in theory and all that. P
TravisWB
#76 - 2012-03-28 13:03:36 UTC  |  Edited by: TravisWB
Well

I have never lost a Hulk to ganking because the truth is if you have even a clue about what is happening in your area you can pretty much mine untanked and afk.

Next, a Hulk is intended for high production mining, You actually cannot fit much useful tank at all unless you completely defeat the whole purpose of having a Hulk in the first place. The Hulk has limited grid and cpu, so if you tank it you can figure on giving up a strip miner. At that point you might as well just fly Covetors.

PVP? Pvp in this game is actually the most broken thing about this game. Pvp is mostly about forming up small gangs and camping a gate hoping you have a five to one superiority in numbers so none of you get popped. Hisec or low, pretty much that is PVP Null sec PVP? That is just the part of the game where where most of the players are willing to be living drones, waiting for a FC to tell them who to shoot at as part of giant combat fail blobs

Which is what brings us to this problem EVE has The Hulk griefers are by and large, disillusioned null sec pilots that are bored out of their minds The evidence for this is just look at the gankers themselves. Most have been in the game more than 2 years and can fly t1 ships fitted all t2. Nearly all have high SP hisec indy alts that provide the support that a -10 sec status player must have to operate in hisec

And who are they killing?
Clueless noobs for the most part The average Hulk pilot has been in the game way less than a year, doesn't really understand local, or contacts, or tank, or mechanics, or anything. THEY ARE NOOBS

And this is the meat upon which the dogs of EVE PVP feast. The helpless, defenseless and clueless

They should be ashamed, as should CCP for creating a universe such as this

Immediate fix to this problem

A -10 sec status player should not be able to enter any system above .5 ever. The gates should simply just not work for them

As it is, sec status is just a joke and the joke is on the hisec
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#77 - 2012-03-28 13:03:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Danny John-Peter
Doddy wrote:

This is nonsense, a maxed catalyst overheating with everything going perfectly (not even possible) can only pump out about 10 - 12k damage before concord arrives. Even a normal hulk fit with a damage control will survive that (17k ehp +). It deosn't even need to run its booster. Hulks die because people want to go afk as long as possible and fit expanders and cargo optimisations. So they can play afk. So they can play afk. So they can play afk.


So this, you can get around 32K EHP out of a Hulk, 24 and still fit an MLU, if you miners dont believe, I will provide fittings
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#78 - 2012-03-28 13:16:06 UTC
TravisWB wrote:
A -10 sec status player should not be able to enter any system above .5 ever. The gates should simply just not work for them

As it is, sec status is just a joke and the joke is on the hisec
Funny thing is, this is already the case…

…if you choose it to be so. It's only a joke because highsec dwellers make it a joke rather than take care of business. Also, they're making it easier for low-status players to travel around highsec, so there goes your dreams and hopes up in a puff of smoke. Blink

Adunh Slavy
#79 - 2012-03-28 13:25:04 UTC
Run out of small dogs and kittens RL? No more toads to stuff full of fire crackers? Younger siblings move out of your parent's basement and left you all alone? Baby seals too far north?

Play Eve then! Gank some miners, you too can be an internet tough guy!

Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.  - William Pitt

snake pies
Dixon Cox Butte Preservation Society
#80 - 2012-03-28 13:43:18 UTC
if you're a miner and you think the rest of eve is out to get you, you should stop mining, so that ships costs increase and the rest pick up the tab for that.

Come back to mining when losing a hulk everyday is still profitable.

Do something else till then, learn another aspect of the game, like PI, trading minerals :), etc.. All passive activities like mining.

In eve, you must not get mad, you must get even, or you lose.