EVE General Discussion

Though it looks like they aren't going to do the station lock-out in Inferno now anyway, I'll comment on it.


The primary issue isn't that the consequences of losing your stuff is too harsh, and we are babies and we want things to be easy.

The issue is that there is no benefit to owning a station in low-sec that balances the risk in taking one.

In nullsec, you have to take stations to live out there, and you live out there to reap the benefits of the resources, etc.
We don't have resources, or benefits for living in a system in lowsec.



The bottom line is, taking sov and owning a station in FW doesn't fix the issue of things being meaningless. It just creates more things that are meaningless. Once again we would be fighting over things for the sake of fighting over them, things would eventually go stale (as they did with plexing and occupancy) and we would be back at square 1.

I admit I haven't read the whole thread, but what worries me the most is people who are going to jump ship into the "winning Militia".

Suppose Caldari Militia really takes off, and takes most of contested space between themselves and Gallente. I don't see many people joining Gallente Militia in this scenario. Caldari will hold and augment the space, and that'll be pretty much the end of it. There'll be skirmishes here and there, but without critical mass, nothing will happen.

At which point everyone who wants to safely farm LP to their heart's content will do so by joining Caldari Militia, further exacerbating the problem. And FW would turn into another PvE ISK grind-a-tron.

I'm way late on this thread, but denying docking rights is a horrible idea. The problem is not losing assets. The problem is that this will lead to one side winning and the other side having ABSOLUTELY NO HOPE OF EVER FIGHTING BACK. With the current mechanics, you basically have to live in the area you want to plex in. If you don't you don't take systems. How are you supposed to take a system back if you cannot dock anywhere within 10 jumps? POSes currently suck for basing out of and the fact that bored 0.0 entities shoot them trying to pick a fight with somebody smaller than them to raise their own morale. Once one side gets over the tipping point keeping a balance of power, it will be lights out for the losing side. Stick a fork in them. There is no way they can fight back because they cannot base anywhere near the systems they need to take back.

Following zero2's advice adding 2cents
1 leadership in militia to ONLY remove spys.
2 the cyno-jammer-stuffs zero has a good idea for taking it offline i dig it. for actually setting it up it needs to be npc controlled. such as, the more your plex a system, the more friendly amarr npcs(for example) setup bases, more plexs they bring a cyno jammer and set it up.
3 when your busting a bunker its tempting to bat phone people. as we know, allied militia's cant shoot friendly bunkers amarr cant shoot at a gallente bunker to help the caldari.
that being said, i think the only people who should even be allowed on grid is the attacking and defending militia.
4 fw missions need to not be solo'able in anything less than a battleship(encouraging teamwork). FW missions need to have a fail objective for enemy militia to destroy/holdtimer in mission for 10 minutes or somthing deny LP.
5 LP store needs to have own races t1 ships to purchase. hell you could even go as far as giving the LP store complete t2 modules and ships for each race. <<< many good and bad things can happen with this.
6 Plexing, needs an overhaul. but if it is going to be only dabbled with, heres what needs to change.
different plex sizes added, t2 destroyers need some love in something besides a major.
how did t3 cruiser get by the balance team into major outposts, remove that. multiple warp-ins, different objectives besides running down the timer.
flying your own militia's ships in plexs get bonus's making them favorable to fly in your own militia (amarr ships for amarr militia for instance). and making pirates less reluctant to engage the militia's across eve.
Limiting the amount of actual people who can be in a plex(certain plexs)? just a thought
7 fix the rats, way to unbalanced.
8 put that incursion status bar where it belongs in the militia so we can see how close the system is to vulnerable(if you even keep that method of flipping systems)
9 Ranking needs to mean something having a direct correlation with your CURRENT status as a pilot in the militia
10 reason to fight for occupancy. obvuiosly not being able to dock in stations, pretty good motivator. (if they are able to take ships out of the station after they lost occupancy would be a very mute point wouldnt it?)
11 highsec rats need to end your ship then second you enter enemy highsec, you cannot seruiosly tell me the great empires of eve cant stop a freaking battleship from strolling threw enemy highsec. not supposed to happen.


experimental
So that mission halt the invasion, you have to destroy the opposing militias Stargate they setting up right? since all the modules and equipment is already in the game(look at exploration) setting up a Stargate for your militia to jump into enemy space would be cool. again, NPC controlled.

an example
friendly occupancy, system uncontested, run 10 of a certain type of plex say "Amarr stargate incursion plex" run 10 of these, on the final one, the stargate is in the plex. you capture it, it asks you where you want this stargate to go , obvuiosly enemy militia space. bam, halt the invasion pops up in the enemy system you choose. system becomes contested when your friendly npc's setup the stargate.(also destroying the stargate would count for some substantial VP, and LP[enemy militia only])

just a stargate, only protected by you and your friendly's and NPC, no anchoring of modules may take place, you can idk, spend LP for reinforcement npcs and they arrive in 5 minutes. spend lp for a battleship wave idk.

the point is it is npc controlled makshift stargate you have just made

And you have a way of being able to launch an incursion into enemy space, (obvuiosly you cant dock) but you can warp to your safe'd stargate, and your station you can reship in is 1 jump away.

everybody in FW is has tons of ideas to improve it, this is just one of mine.

May i re-post my idea from the Fanfest-Panel thread (please discuss here, it is easier to follow one thread)



Is this an option for some of you?

station guns auto attack i think would be a good idea, yes. I never said that those were bad, just wanted to make an oppinion.

But i think the hardes to code would be the station funktionality.

To spawn NPC is much like the rats in a belt or the officers on a gate in high-sec
To set up a station with docking rights for only the dedicated melitians is also i think easy.

i prefer settings that need no extra coding for new functionalitys. Using existent features would be more what i prefer.

And to let someone dock with no station functions? "Hey Hostile welcome to my home, you're welcome but sorry you're not allowed to youse the fridge and the microwave" sounds a bit strange to me letting my enemy in my home.

I'd still like to see the difficulty of capturing an enemy system based upon how many systems you own.

How would that work? The leader points at someone, says "this guy, I don't like his face, therefore he must be ze spy!" and kicks him out of the militia? How would that work if that poor ugly guy is part of a player corporation? You kick the whole corp/alliance out?

The leadership stuff is supposed to come later on, we might want to focus on the rest.



With CCP rather wanting to remove things from the hands of the NPC markets I don't see it even considered tbh.

And what else you propose to do, to make it not easy to flip the system more than once a day?

We already have RF timers on POCOs and sov structures in null, and while quite boring, this mechanic serves its purpose - allowing people from different timezones to go sleep in peace knowing they won't wake up and see all their crap suddenly gone.

It's not a great mechanic but it works.

Well the point is, someone should come to defend it.



You have a better idea which accomplishes the same things but without any drawbacks of RF timers? I'm pretty sure CCP would welcome it, because they themselves don't really have any. Like I wrote before - it's not good, but it works.



So what's the problem then? It's not like you don't have any time to evac stuff, right? (Asking seriously)



This actually sounds pretty cool.



And this, not so much. Or rather, it sounds very cool, but with 4 militias and a ton of systems in FW zones, it would require a lot of additional work force for ISD/GM team, making it quite unrealistic to happen. But it's kind of cool. :)