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Kallynda Nai
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#2841 - 2012-03-28 04:47:11 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
You are still subject to all laws that would be illegal in the USA when traveling abroad. Just and FYI.


Derp.
D Derp
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2842 - 2012-03-28 04:47:30 UTC
^ What he said.
RougeOperator wrote:

You are still subject to all laws that would be illegal in the USA when traveling abroad. Just and FYI.


So, Swedish law applies to americans not in sweden because...
Sidus Sarmiang
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2843 - 2012-03-28 04:48:49 UTC
Andski wrote:
michaelthered wrote:
no connection to the real world. Troll people with this suicide **** and get other people in on it there are live grown ass consequences.


No tell me more about how anyone who tells you to kill yourself has to deal with the consequences when you punch them in the jaw

and you won't have to deal with any real consequences yourself because YOU BRAWL AT BARS



EVE-O forums are truly debating in the finest Oxford tradition.



Also lol at anyone who thinks that this is going to accomplish anything whatsoever.

CCP will say something.
Mittani will say something.
A decision will be made and no one in this or any of the other threads will have anything to do with it.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2844 - 2012-03-28 04:50:13 UTC
Amity Lane wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
You are still subject to all laws that would be illegal in the USA when traveling abroad. Just and FYI.

I'm sorry, but this is demonstrably false. I've seen Americans drink beer in taxicabs in Freeport, Bahamas with no penalty...something that is illegal in the US. I've seen Americans use cannabis in Amsterdam. I've seen Americans patronize call girls in Thailand.

Not saying I side with your argument or against it, just that this statement is untrue.



Read your passport documentation please.

Also know what a federal law is vs a state law.

Also the girls in Thailand thing is why that put that law into effect just an FYI. To stop sex tours from the USA that were going there.

Ignorance is no defense in a court a law.

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Tore Vest
#2845 - 2012-03-28 04:50:40 UTC
It looks like that eaven goons want to get rid of mittens....
on the way this thread is going... Bear

Damn... 150+ pages allready

No troll.
Ashen Molotov
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2846 - 2012-03-28 04:52:04 UTC
Kallynda Nai wrote:
Ashen Molotov wrote:
Andski wrote:
Ashen Molotov wrote:
As I said earlier it's all pretty simple in my opinion.

What he did would get any other player in the game a temp ban at best.

Regardless if his apology was sincere or not he needs to get banned. If the apology was sincere that doesn't take away the consquences of the action.

All being sincere should do in regards to an apology is show that you are remourseful and that you are a man who acknowledges you did something wrong. It says that you do not wish to be known as that kind of person because of a mistake you made.

The best case scenario I can see for his apology would be a little lineincy in the form of accepting his resignation from the CSM and only issuing a small temporary ban.

If CCP feels the apology was only an attempt to evade trouble then it should be a flull fledged removal from EvE.


It doesn't merit removal from the council, or even a temporary ban. I realize that you're VERY UPSET about him ganking your Mackinaw but that's actually allowed, believe it or not!


Stop posting before you make the rest of the Goons look like morons. Who cares about a stupid in game ship? I was obviously refering to his harrassment of the "suicidal" dude. On top of that your leader himself seems to agree with me and numerous others that at the least it deserves a removal from CSM.

You can try to deny what he did and where he crossed the line all you want to. Inside though EVERYONE knows that if any other eve player short of maybe 2 or 3 others had done this very same thing they would have already been hit with the ban hammer.


The CSM, however, doesn't seem to think so.


And that matters how? The CSM is not above CCP and their rules. I don't care if every single active player in EvE voted to let him stay CCP should still remove him. He violated their EULA or whatever the hell you want to call it to an extreme degree. The only reason it's a conversation and not a "Bam you banned and forever forgotten" situation is b/c of his immense popularity. Hell he is probably the most famous EvE play ever, and if not he's damn close.
michaelthered
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2847 - 2012-03-28 04:52:48 UTC
Andski wrote:
michaelthered wrote:
no connection to the real world. Troll people with this suicide **** and get other people in on it there are live grown ass consequences.


No tell me more about how anyone who tells you to kill yourself has to deal with the consequences when you punch them in the jaw

and you won't have to deal with any real consequences yourself because YOU BRAWL AT BARS



god you don't even think this guy should be removed from any position of influence within this game, let alone any "REAL WORLD" consequences......do you? This is my issue.....the guy "clearly" deserves the natural beating of a lifetime i've seen the video don't argue with that.....yet you little peeny's don't even think he did anything wrong and should keep his leadership position here. It's like another world you're living in....and really who's to say that world is less real, lawls
Ender Karazaki
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2848 - 2012-03-28 04:53:10 UTC
Tore Vest wrote:
It looks like that eaven goons want to get rid of mittens....
on the way this thread is going... Bear

Damn... 150+ pages allready



Are we all griefing the mitani now? Blink
D Derp
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2849 - 2012-03-28 04:53:23 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Amity Lane wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
You are still subject to all laws that would be illegal in the USA when traveling abroad. Just and FYI.

I'm sorry, but this is demonstrably false. I've seen Americans drink beer in taxicabs in Freeport, Bahamas with no penalty...something that is illegal in the US. I've seen Americans use cannabis in Amsterdam. I've seen Americans patronize call girls in Thailand.

Not saying I side with your argument or against it, just that this statement is untrue.



Read your passport documentation please.

Also know what a federal law is vs a state law.

Also the girls in Thailand thing is why that put that law into effect just an FYI. To stop sex tours from the USA that were going there.

Ignorance is no defense in a court a law.


I still don't see how this makes the laws of another country apply to Americans living in America.
Isaias Riorden
Internet Space Ship Game
#2850 - 2012-03-28 04:53:56 UTC
michaelthered wrote:
Andski wrote:
michaelthered wrote:
no connection to the real world. Troll people with this suicide **** and get other people in on it there are live grown ass consequences.


No tell me more about how anyone who tells you to kill yourself has to deal with the consequences when you punch them in the jaw

and you won't have to deal with any real consequences yourself because YOU BRAWL AT BARS



god you don't even think this guy should be removed from any position of influence within this game, let alone any "REAL WORLD" consequences......do you? This is my issue.....the guy "clearly" deserves the natural beating of a lifetime i've seen the video don't argue with that.....yet you little peeny's don't even think he did anything wrong and should keep his leadership position here. It's like another world you're living in....and really who's to say that world is less real, lawls


"Within this game"
michaelthered
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2851 - 2012-03-28 04:53:57 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
[quote=Amity Lane][.

Ignorance is no defense in a court a law.




hehe, is true
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2852 - 2012-03-28 04:55:27 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Amity Lane wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
You are still subject to all laws that would be illegal in the USA when traveling abroad. Just and FYI.

I'm sorry, but this is demonstrably false. I've seen Americans drink beer in taxicabs in Freeport, Bahamas with no penalty...something that is illegal in the US. I've seen Americans use cannabis in Amsterdam. I've seen Americans patronize call girls in Thailand.

Not saying I side with your argument or against it, just that this statement is untrue.



Read your passport documentation please.

Also know what a federal law is vs a state law.

Also the girls in Thailand thing is why that put that law into effect just an FYI. To stop sex tours from the USA that were going there.

Ignorance is no defense in a court a law.


It's specific to sex tourism. I doubt our government is terribly concerned about 20 year old Americans drinking at Fanfest.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
Derrick Munroe
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2853 - 2012-03-28 04:57:27 UTC
The EULA everybody seems to enjoy referencing wrote:
You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances.


See that up there? Up to CCP to decide. And it appears they've let the CSM argue it out. Give it a few days, it's not in any of your hands, sorry~

What's it like, not owning any tech moons?
michaelthered
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#2854 - 2012-03-28 04:57:53 UTC
Andski wrote:
[quote=RougeOperator][quote=Amity Lane][

It's specific to sex tourism. I doubt our government is terribly concerned about 20 year old Americans drinking at Fanfest.




no it's not...at least not anymore. They just passed a new law that would "technically" allow them to prosecute an american citizen for smoking marijuana in amsterdam. Whether they ever enforce that is anybody's guess but it's on the books now. Keep up with the world it's changing right infront of your face.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2855 - 2012-03-28 04:59:20 UTC  |  Edited by: RougeOperator
D Derp wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
Amity Lane wrote:
RougeOperator wrote:
You are still subject to all laws that would be illegal in the USA when traveling abroad. Just and FYI.

I'm sorry, but this is demonstrably false. I've seen Americans drink beer in taxicabs in Freeport, Bahamas with no penalty...something that is illegal in the US. I've seen Americans use cannabis in Amsterdam. I've seen Americans patronize call girls in Thailand.

Not saying I side with your argument or against it, just that this statement is untrue.



Read your passport documentation please.

Also know what a federal law is vs a state law.

Also the girls in Thailand thing is why that put that law into effect just an FYI. To stop sex tours from the USA that were going there.

Ignorance is no defense in a court a law.


I still don't see how this makes the laws of another country apply to Americans living in America.



Cause the other part of the passport says you are subject to laws of the lands you visit while you are there as well. This isn't hard.

Your embassy might try to get you out of it depending but 99% of the time you are under the laws of the country you are in and the USA wont help.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
de4deye
Phantom Space
Space Madness.
#2856 - 2012-03-28 04:59:29 UTC
Derrick Munroe wrote:
The EULA everybody seems to enjoy referencing wrote:
You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances.


See that up there? Up to CCP to decide. And it appears they've let the CSM argue it out. Give it a few days, it's not in any of your hands, sorry~

Didn't you know that CCP takes into consideration the opinions of almost the entire playerbase?
D Derp
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2857 - 2012-03-28 04:59:42 UTC
michaelthered wrote:
Andski wrote:
[quote=RougeOperator][quote=Amity Lane][

It's specific to sex tourism. I doubt our government is terribly concerned about 20 year old Americans drinking at Fanfest.




no it's not...at least not anymore. They just passed a new law that would "technically" allow them to prosecute an american citizen for smoking ********* in amsterdam. Whether they ever enforce that is anybody's guess but it's on the books now. Keep up with the world it's changing right infront of your face.


Isn't our government wonderful? Screw fixing the country, we need to make it so that people dont break vice laws on the other side of the planet~


e: It's almost as crazy as you.
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2858 - 2012-03-28 04:59:56 UTC
michaelthered wrote:
no it's not...at least not anymore. They just passed a new law that would "technically" allow them to prosecute an american citizen for smoking ********* in amsterdam. Whether they ever enforce that is anybody's guess but it's on the books now. Keep up with the world it's changing right infront of your face.


This is coming from somebody who thinks that it's perfectly alright to assault somebody because they told you to kill yourself.

Twitter: @EVEAndski

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
D Derp
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2859 - 2012-03-28 05:01:04 UTC
de4deye wrote:
Derrick Munroe wrote:
The EULA everybody seems to enjoy referencing wrote:
You may encounter and converse with people who are rude, offensive, belligerent, and who may use indecent, obscene, and/or threatening or harassing language while playing the Game. You may report any instances of such behavior to CCP. CCP will investigate and take such measures as CCP, in its sole judgment, determines are reasonable under the circumstances.


See that up there? Up to CCP to decide. And it appears they've let the CSM argue it out. Give it a few days, it's not in any of your hands, sorry~

Didn't you know that CCP takes into consideration the opinions of almost the entire playerbase?


AAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2860 - 2012-03-28 05:01:09 UTC
Kallynda Nai wrote:
The CSM, however, doesn't seem to think so.


If they didn't think so then they wouldn't have announced that they are talking with CCP about the issue and amongst themselves where we will hear the decision in the next few days. Also if on the other end it wasnt considered anything, I am sure Mitt would be back on, give some statement or something by now. Silence is just as loud as words.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.