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Dec 20, the make or break date for CCP
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Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
#1 - 2011-09-25 13:08:27 UTC
December 20th is the make or break day for EVE online and CCP. It is the date when CCP’s dominance over the Sci-Fi MMO will be tested. Are you :fearless: enough or will you shrink to the occasion? Will CCP rise to the occasion and bring about the promised time for EVE Online, when all unfinished expansion will be iterated on. Will it be a time when gaping chest wounds and emersion breaking game mechanics will be fixed? When constant ship balancing and module tweaking is in every patch note. Only time will tell. However, one thing we do know is that after Dec 20th EVE will not be the same again.

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D Liver
#2 - 2011-09-25 13:12:40 UTC
big words from a small face
Riggs Droput
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-09-25 13:13:08 UTC
Two completely different games, SW:TOR will not pull your average eve player away from the game.

Also from what I have played in TOR it is a single player game with multiplayer elements. Unless they overhaul the whole game between now and then its not going to be the massive behemoth that people think it will be. It defiantly will not knock WOW off of its throne.

Riggs

I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees
DarkAegix
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2011-09-25 13:15:30 UTC
SWTOR = WOWMMO
EVE = EVE

They're completely different genres.
Abrazzar
Vardaugas Family
#5 - 2011-09-25 13:19:00 UTC
SWTOR = Mass
EVE = Niche

They're aiming at different audiences.

At least SWTOR will discourage the higher ups at CCP from aiming at the lowest common denominator mass market too much.

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Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
#6 - 2011-09-25 13:21:29 UTC
D Liver wrote:
big words from a small face


Maybe but they are no less true because of it.

SW:TOR is defiantly not the same game as EVE however that makes it no less lethal to CCP's revenue stream.

When customers are giving a choice between broken or different , which one will you think they will choose.

Granted, there are a lot of things wrong with the game, (most everyone will agree with me on that) and everyone has their opinion on what is and is not broken. The main issue is not that its not getting fixed but instead the lack of confidence and trust the customers have with CCP ATM. That is the make or break issue with the EVE community.

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Riggs Droput
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-09-25 13:29:56 UTC
Zendoren wrote:


SW:TOR is defiantly not the same game as EVE however that makes it no less lethal to CCP's revenue stream.



I still do not see how it will be lethal to CCP's revenue stream. Most players I know will not cancel their eve accounts to play TOR. they might add a subscription to TOR to try it out, and some might leave but these players who leave would not be the players who stick around EVE for long times. Or they are the players that were already on their way out. Either way TOR will not affect eve in the slightest.

It might effect WOW a bit but even then the small drop in wow subs will be rebound once people realize that they are playing KOTOR with multi.

Riggs

I would rather die on my feet, than live on my knees
Zendoren
Aktaeon Industries
#8 - 2011-09-25 14:12:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Zendoren
Riggs Droput wrote:
Zendoren wrote:


SW:TOR is defiantly not the same game as EVE however that makes it no less lethal to CCP's revenue stream.



I still do not see how it will be lethal to CCP's revenue stream. Most players I know will not cancel their eve accounts to play TOR. they might add a subscription to TOR to try it out, and some might leave but these players who leave would not be the players who stick around EVE for long times. Or they are the players that were already on their way out. Either way TOR will not affect eve in the slightest.

It might effect WOW a bit but even then the small drop in wow subs will be rebound once people realize that they are playing KOTOR with multi.

Riggs


You might be completely right. Who knows; however, the fact remains that another Sci-Fi MMO is on its way, with deep lucus arts and EA pockets with a Dev team that is as much or even more engaging to their customers as CCP is and a fan base that is pumped up because it's shinny and branding is what they want does shuffle the deck a little in the Sci-Fi MMO world. Discount it all you want, but I believe that it will hurt CCP's bottom line (in the form of furloughed subs) at-least until the new and shinny wears off.

For sure, there is nothing else quite like EVE out there; however, If they continue to ignore their customers and neglect their flagship product (eve online) customers will eventually find other places to spend their money. (I point to Netflix as an example) I'm an optimist sometimes; however, even now its hard for me to see the light after :18months: of no FiS content and a management team that seems hostile to our CSM (The embodied voice of the EVE Online customer [for better or worse])

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Pesky LaRue
Mercatoris
#9 - 2011-09-25 14:17:47 UTC
Zendoren wrote:
Riggs Droput wrote:
Zendoren wrote:


SW:TOR is defiantly not the same game as EVE however that makes it no less lethal to CCP's revenue stream.



I still do not see how it will be lethal to CCP's revenue stream. Most players I know will not cancel their eve accounts to play TOR. they might add a subscription to TOR to try it out, and some might leave but these players who leave would not be the players who stick around EVE for long times. Or they are the players that were already on their way out. Either way TOR will not affect eve in the slightest.

It might effect WOW a bit but even then the small drop in wow subs will be rebound once people realize that they are playing KOTOR with multi.

Riggs


You might be completely right. Who knows; however, the fact remains that another Sci-Fi MMO is on its way, with deep lucus arts and EA pockets with a Dev team that is as much or even more engaging to their customers as CCP is and a fan base that is pumped up because it's shinny and branding is what they want does shuffle the deck a little in the Sci-Fi MMO world. Discount it all you want, but I believe that it will hurt CCP's bottom line (in the form of furloughed subs) at-least until the new and shinny wears off.

For sure, there is nothing else quite like EVE out there; however, If they continue to ignore their customers and neglect their flagship product (eve online) customers will eventually find other places to spend their money. (I point to Netflix as an example) I'm an optimist sometimes; however, even now its hard for me to see the light after :18months: of no FiS content and a management team that seems hostile to our CSM (The embodied voice of the EVE Online customer [for better or worse])
you're either pretty stupid or have ZERO understanding of this market space.

EvE will lose a tiny amount of the population to ToR - a themepark game, by the way - who will then come back to EvE when they realise it IS a themepark and not a sandbox.

You should do a search for Star Trek Online - fools like you made these exact same claims then, and were just as wrong then as you are now.
Reiisha
#10 - 2011-09-25 14:21:36 UTC
Zendoren wrote:
D Liver wrote:
big words from a small face


Maybe but they are no less true because of it.

SW:TOR is defiantly not the same game as EVE however that makes it no less lethal to CCP's revenue stream.

When customers are giving a choice between broken or different , which one will you think they will choose.

Granted, there are a lot of things wrong with the game, (most everyone will agree with me on that) and everyone has their opinion on what is and is not broken. The main issue is not that its not getting fixed but instead the lack of confidence and trust the customers have with CCP ATM. That is the make or break issue with the EVE community.


1) TOR isn't different, it's WoW with lasers and lightsabres. EVE is a sandbox, TOR is a themepark game. Completely different audience.

2) Oh, how many people claimed that this or that MMO would mean the death of EVE. This game even survived the massive growth of WoW - It will survive ToR, despite it's current flaws.

If you do things right, people won't be sure you've done anything at all...
Generals4
#11 - 2011-09-25 14:39:02 UTC
I don't think SW TOR is a big threat to EVE. At most it might take away some players who played EVE not because it was a sandbox but because it is about space, and i honestly doubt there are many of those around.

It's like saying a new average Volkswagen will cause Porsche to lose a lot of their costumers. Both cars are made for different markets , one for the masses the other for a particular niche.

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Pattern Clarc
Citeregis
#12 - 2011-09-25 14:57:45 UTC
Battlefield 3 will have more of an effect than SWTOR tbh. Completely different type of game, but I know which one I and a bunch of corp mates will be whoring over the next few weeks....

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Meryl SinGarda
Belligerent Underpaid Tactical Team
#13 - 2011-09-25 15:00:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Meryl SinGarda
I'm treating SW:TOR as if it's just another game I'm going to buy to play in order to experience it's story. Will there be staying power? Either way, EVE is dominant in this category.

Also, BioWare. I mean, come on... Mass Effect.
Elindreal
Planetary Interactors
#14 - 2011-09-25 15:48:46 UTC
Bioware did NWN1 and KOTOR1. 2 of my favourite games, both with great story depth and immersion.
Besides, it's not like it's difficult to plex my account for a month or two while, as above poster said, playing the story.
Mastertz
Itagaki Heavy Industries
#15 - 2011-09-25 15:56:06 UTC
D Liver wrote:
big words from a small face


i lol'd
Cunane Jeran
#16 - 2011-09-25 15:59:11 UTC
Yes after enjoying a apple a new orange is going to pull me away.

Use some frickin' common sense lad! Two entirely different styles of game.
CATPAIN KIRK
State War Academy
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-09-25 16:02:31 UTC
They're both with internet!
Azurialli
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2011-09-25 16:02:35 UTC

Well I think that Dec 20 likely isn't a break date, I think that the effect on Nov 11 will be bigger then that of Dec 20. Blink
Tenchi Sal
White Knights of Equestria
#19 - 2011-09-25 16:09:53 UTC
not sure why people keep comparing TOR and EVE. they are both completely different games. WoW and TOR are much better comparison. TOR Devs themselves stated that they are modeling it after WoW.
Andrea Griffin
#20 - 2011-09-25 16:36:25 UTC
I took a look at the space combat videos for TOR. Utterly shallow compared to Eve. TOR may have the upper hand on visuals but that's it.

CCP Sreegs is my favorite developer.
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