EVE General Discussion

Or just give neutral logistics aggro timers, dock timers, and make them take full aggro as if they are they ones shooting and not whoever they are repping. Much simpler and easier to balance. I'd fully support such a change, since it seems odd that a logistics can rep a target with few real penalties.

What if half the fleet were falcons/scorpions instead of logistics? That would be just as much of a pain in the ass, or more.

Or, what if they were Curses and Bhaalgorns?

I'm sorry, but just because logistics ships are overused doesn't mean that they are overpowered, it just means that people are too fail to know how to counter them, so people exploit that.

If (a) logistic(s) ship(s) are/is on the field, you have all the following options:

A) ECM to stop them from functioning.
B) Neuts to stop them from functioning.
C) Sensor damps to force them to get close so that you can kill them.
D) Speedy, competent ships to kill or drive them off the field.
E) Logis of your own to keep your ships long enough to simply outlast the enemies.
F) Enough accurate volley DPS to quickly kill them. (This is one of the reasons why Drakes became so popular for fleets - they're awesome at countering AHAC gangs with lots of logis.)
G) Any combination of the above.

Stop whining on the forums, that's probably the least productive way to get rid of logis.

And I counter with, not everybody has, (or should have) access to a massive fleet of logis to cause such a problem in the first place?

Also, ECM may be chance based, but even if a logi is being jammed 50-70% of the time, you're drastically dropping the amount of reps that they can send out. If you're jamming a crucial member of a cap chain, then you're also going to be affecting the other logis. So while you're not going to 100% definitely counter the logis, a good Falcon should be able to handle getting 2-3 Guardians out of the picture.

And I think you'll find that plenty of stuff in the game works this way;

ECM can be ECCMed, but it's hardly a definite counter, and there's still a chance of you being jammed.
Cynabals can be webbed, but they still go pretty damn fast.
Active tanks can be neuted, but they'll still get some reps off after cap boosts.
You can watch D-scan to see enemies, but cloaky ships can still sneak up on you.
Drones can be shot at, but that means not shooting the actual target.

In fact, I can think of nothing in this game that has a definite, surefire, instant, easy-mode counter. Logi is hardly different.

yea a 1000 times yes... kill carrier repping station games! they **** me off!

@Roosterton

No man op is right. RR needs to be changed. Either sig radius based or stacked or hell how about both!

Small remote reps/transfers should be long range (40km) reps in order for frigate gangs to actually be able to use them on eachother. A bunch of frigates anchored within 6km of one guy is just silly and that's why smalls never see any use. The repair amount of smalls is appropriate for frigates so there's that.

Medium remote reps should be mid-range (say 20km? I can't into math). The rep amount is suitable for cruisers and BC.

Large should be short range (5km, whatever idk), bigass reps. Suitable for RR Domi herds or whatever because they're big, slow and it's not hard for them to keep anchored to one another unlike frigates or cruisers.

Logi keeps its inherent range bonus, but can't reach clear across grid with large RR/transfers anymore (you'd need Mediums to get that ~70km rep range).

tl;dr RR/transfer range should maybe scale inversely with repair/transfer amount. But, and. The because.

This thread is the perfect example of why CCP should NOT nerf stuff in-game.

As many posters have correctly stated, there are player-generated counters to logistics blobs. Allowing the players to figure out the means for thwarting the big logistics blobs aligns with the sandbox nature of EVE.

Having daddy CCP come in with the nerf bat to whack down yet another ship class makes this game that much more bland and robs those who invested the time training max logistics skills of their reward.

Each time CCP nerfs another ship class or module, game play becomes more homogenous, less creative and devalues both in-game assets and the time spent training to use those assets. It is a really ****-tastic way to maintain the gaming service.

DISCLAIMER: I fly logistics at-times and it can be one of the most intense ship classes to operate when in the heat of battle. There is no guarantee of keeping mates alive, nor is there a guarantee of keeping yourself alive especially in this era of titan blobs one-shotting or DD'ing logistics and command ships on the field.

Hit point mods, bonuses and rigs don't, to name only the most obvious proof that you're wrong.

is shooting stuff the new NOT shooting stuff?!?!?!

just did a quick eft looks like all i will be bringing out is arty-abbadons you get 145k ehp with 10 k alpha at 100 km....