Player Features and Ideas Discussion

CCP could easily ban the botters' IP; Mac address and credit card.

If I can group up, my competitors can group up and double their advantage. People have competition in this game, hence the M.

If a group of friends all signed up through the 30 day trial, and we wanted to pvp, they'd set up their queues and log off. Off to a good start already. When they finally have microwarpdrives and warp scramblers, they fit a rifter in crappy meta gear. Then when they go out to low sec, they get blown up by gate guns. Okay, looks like they need to go to null sec. They go out to null sec and get blown up by probably a small gang made up of dramiels and cynabals. Hell, let's say they were super pros. They read all the guides and duelled eachother in Jita until their understanding was top notch. They'd still lose because their support skills are at 3 and their rifters are a quarter as good as the dramiels they are fighting.

Or if they wanted to trade, they'd sit in Jita all day undercutting deals by pennies at a time because they don't have the skills to effectively trade region-wide. They'd say "this game is stupid, let's not sign up".

Or if they wanted to manufacture, they'd sit at a station, logged off most of the time, producing frigates and t1 modules at barely any profits. "" ""

At least if they could increase their skills, they would have something to work towards. That first 500 mil, because it would mean an incredible increase in their ability to play the game the way they like.

"Instant gratification" isn't the same as "instant fun", which is what any game should be. The skills mechanic, as a whole is useless imo, and if it won't be done away with (as it certainly won't), it should at least be improved.

Basically, skills say to new players "this game is not for you". So new players don't like it.

Edit: It's the same in any MMO that new players are inferior to veterans, but never permanently, and through working at the game, they can become statistically equal to their rivals. Not in eve.

Edit: misread what you said by skimming over it.

Anyways,

If you don't like instant fun, go stand in the line at a coffee shop, then when you get to the head of the line, tell the cashier you haven't decided, and you need more time to plan, then go to the back. I think that would be incredibly amusing to someone of your IQ.

I agree completely, and this is the goal. Just the ability to fast-forward what you have access to with the character you made.

I did, and the thought of you biomassing yourself over such triviata gave me warm fuzzies

Why don't you go outside and throw a ball at something. I'm sure that would be adequate entertainment for someone of your IQ.


What do you think keeps players in this game? Eve, as an MMO, has the best player retention rate of any other game out there. If you have played Eve for 3-6 months, you are very unlikely to leave. Ever. How do you explain that?

Personally, I think Eve's extremely long passive skill system acts as an excellent psychological hook. For most of my Eve career I have been aiming towards something, and it's always been just around the corner. By the time I reach it, I usually have a secondary goal in sight.

This also forces us to genuinely invest in specific targets, skills are not meaningless when they cost us weeks of training time. If you introduce pay-to-win, skills no longer have meaning. I personally have tens of billions I could sink into characters at the drop of a hat, unlocking every ship in the game for myself instantaneously.

It would be nice, but it spoils the fun. I strongly suspect the OP is the kind of person who ruined all the games he played as a child by enabling god mode.

I play sports.

















Fifa counts as a sport, right?

This is what happens when you couple lack of player experience with high skill points

Scius and the Dreadnaught

lol, your alliance chooses what skills you train? Sounds like you're in the wrong alliance, have you considered joining an alliance that does smaller gang stuff instead? They will let you train/fly whatever the hell you want, and you might enjoy it more.

A lot of crappy null sec alliances will try and force you to train large BS guns for their FoTM doctrine ship. This is rarely in your best interest as a young player, and you should just ignore them and train up t2 cruisers/frigates/t3s or whatever else you find fun instead.

Cool story, bro.

You see, the problem there was a noob, with a bunch of stuff he didn't know what to do with, with a *history* that led others to believe he might be competent.

If he bought it all from scratch there wouldn't have been that misleading history.

The character exchange is totally a mess, I can see why people think that anything similar would be just as bad.

The slow skill system is something the invariably draws me to keep my accounts subbed. It took me years to train to a capital ship, and I'm glad it took that long.

At first I dreamed of flying a titan, dropping onto a battlefield and destroying all in my path (back when DD's were AoE). As I played the game I realized that in actuallity I love to fly frigates and cruisers more than the larger ships. I am thankful that I didn't have the option to shoot straight for the titan with bought skill points, I would have missed the things that I love most about the game now. Don't get me wrong I do fly capitals, but I abhore my dread and only use it when shooting structures.

SP doesn't matter, start a trial account and solo pvp with it, if you know your ships and your engagement tactics well you can easily kill vets making stupid mistakes. I've personally killed over 250 mil ISK to 6.7 mil ISK lost on a 2 week trial account, a 99% efficiency rating, and all of those kills save one was against 1+ year old vets. The barrier of entry in Eve isn't SP, it is game knowledge, once you realize this your entire argument goes out the window.

If you get a brand new job with no experience in the field, would you expect to be on the same level with the guys that have been working there for 10 years, no. You would work hard to learn and after a while you will catch up with knowledge, but that experience has to be hard earned you can never really catch up to them, you just have to take what you can get. Eventually you'll be counted in that elite group of top employees and might even get promoted. Eve is that new job, and no one has direct experience with it, so they start fresh. I know it sucks sometimes, but it is life and it is Eve.

HTFU take what you got and be happy that you got that much, if you don't like it I know of several games out there that pander to there player base.