EVE General Discussion

All I hear from miners is asking CCP or their fellow miners and carebears alike to do something about suicide ganking. While the first step to solving a problem (not confirming nor denying it is a problem) is addressing the situation and letting others know about it, this seems to be the only step miners have taken to stop or limit suicide ganking.

All anti- suicide ganking threads are the same. They first talk about what they were doing right before they got ganked (usually sitting completely still in a mining ship), they ask for CCP to either outlaw or severely nerf suicide ganking and then they start pointing fingers and calling names. The responses to these threads are either the usual trolls or people giving geniune advice to try and solve their problem, both of which are generally met with hostility from the OP and those that agree with him.

I've ready many of these threads, hoping to see something new on the subject each time and one thing I've noticed is that the OP never once mentions any precautions they took to avoid getting suicide ganked such as aligning or scouting with an alt/other player.

I'm not calling anyone out here, this is a question out of complete curiosity

As miners who are fully aware of suicide ganking, what have you done to try and avoid being suicide ganked?

I also have a follow up question in the event you actually did try to avoid being suicide ganke

If you have tried to avoid being suicide ganked and your attempt failed, why do you think it failed?

Update 1: Based on these suggestions that you have all posted, I have another question.

How come many miners insist that despite these precautions (which I confirmed work due to the views of actual miners), CCP should still make it nearly impossible to be suicide ganked?

Call concord to the belt you are mining in. You're a carebear, burn some of that wasteful sec status.

Tank your ship instead of cargo tanking your ship.

Orcas can use shield links as well as mining links. The capacitor link is rubbish anyway.

Watch dscan.

A couple of years ago we did this, during Hulkageddon, wondering if we'd see any action. We had a blackbird cloaked up nearby and the hauler alt could swap out to a heavily shield tanked Myrmidion should anyone appear in the belt. The shield harmonics gang link is a much better choice than the capacitor link as you said.

The truth is, with the destroyer buff, only a hulk can survive a single person gank, and that's only when fully tank fit.

There really aren't much options from them aside from not mining. A large group can protect its self by calling concord to belts (and being always-ready to call again in a second). A lone miner, or even 1 with a few alts, has no chance.

While "situation awareness" maybe protect you, that assumes you're fully cognoscent of your surroundings all the time. If you're glued to the screen like that, mining will make you go mental first.

Be Attentive to your surroundings. 99% of the time that will keep you safe..

How do you think people survive in nul sec?

If you said by having a sugar daddy you are correct.

Thats making the assumption most if not all miners use bots, there are people who actualy aren't botting while mining sure they might not be talking on local but that doesn't mean they aren't at the PC chatting on corp and alliance chats with friends and ts/vent/mumble, making that assumption is like saying everyone who does market trading, ratting mission running etc are running bots....
some do some dont, dont tar one group all with the same brush.

To the OP, most are going to be reluctant about sharing what they do to avoid being ganked, knowing how you'll react can be used against you :)

On the rare occasion that I give in and mine with my corpmates I fit my hulk for as much tank as possible and forgo the mining upgrades and cargo rigs. This makes it even more of a waste of time to mine but at least I can survive a suicide catalyst or two... or more? I have no idea. Never been ganked in hisec. It ends up with about 27k EHP according to EFT I think. And that is before being boosted by my maxed out leadership character with shield, armor, and sig radius links. Brings it to 35k-ish I think. Still, all it takes is more kamikaze pilots. I think it might take more ISK worth of ships than the value of my Hulk to gank me though...? So thats "fair" I guess. Just sucks that I have to give up mining yield.

I also align to station, but I sit still as I have an orca with me to dump the ore into. This results in the ship leveling out due to EVE's invisible ground plane so it doesn't do much good but at least I'm not facing backwards. In WHs since I wouldn't use an orca out in the open I would move towards my POS at a slow speed to keep aligned, then warp when cargo was full. I'd like to see EVE become true 3D space and get rid of the ships' constant attempts at righting themselves.

Its pretty silly that suicide is so commonplace in the game from a lore or roleplay perspective though. Especially considering that there are several hundreds or thousands of peons on board that do not have clones like the capsuleer... if I'm remembering the lore correctly. You'd think eventually people would refuse to board any ship under your command. Stupid game. But mining is a silly, boring, waste of time in the first place so... meh. Maybe that will change, glad to see CCP is at least toying with making some mining activity that contains some actual gameplay. Maybe I'll dust off my Hulk one day.

If there was any ganking going on in highsec then highsec would have risk.

Anyone who reads the forums knows that highsec is risk-free.

Therefore, there can be no ganking.

Ganking is just a myth to scare little children into behaving like the adults want them to.

Thanks for all of the responses! If you would take time to answer yet another question (I edited the OP) I would be grateful.