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Deliberately Damaging CCP for Self-Serving Purposes

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Marduk Nibiru
Chaos Delivery Systems
#21 - 2012-03-28 00:02:01 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Its how many days now since the incident? And we still have people posting articles to news sites and searching for Sony reps twitter accounts specifically to abuse the CCP/Sony relationship to remove Mittani from the game.

If any of you were concerned with The Wis you would have taken it up privately with CCP and The Wis. By smearing his private life across the public stage you are exposing The Wis to far more abuse then The Mittani and goonswarm EVER did. Sure, Mittani may have already smeared it infront of a FANFEST camera, who's audience is pretty much purely Eve players. But what the rest of you have done is taken it MUCH further. You've now taken it onto every news site, twitter account, and facebook page you can find.

You all say its hurting the game's reputation? You're the ones who smeared it across every news site you could find. CCP would have handled the situation in private where they could show The Wis the dignity he deserved.

You have now started to search for ways to deliberately abuse CCP's industry relationships. If the abuse of the Wis isnt enough, many of you are now in violation of the EULA by deliberately damaging CCP's business in order to further your selfish in-game goals.

Anyone deliberately dragging CCP's name through the gutter in order to accomplish their in-game goals should be held equally accountable for their violations of the EULA.


To be fair...do you honestly think that the goons wouldn't be doing the same thing to get rid of an enemy alliance leader given the opportunity? They're not exactly known for having any sort of boundaries when it comes to metagaming. I have no reason to believe they wouldn't.

And then we'd see a bunch of "pubbies" complaining how it's hurting EvE and a bunch of goons saying, "Cry me a river."

It's a little hypocritical but then again, it's to be expected a bit too. **** off the whole world and the world isn't exactly motivated to come to your defense. It's like the child-raping, drug dealing murderer suddenly taking a stance for civil rights. Sure, rights may have been violated but such people don't make good defendants for that kind of thing.

The Mittani may make a great villain. Alex may make a good CSM member and chair. The game wouldn't be the same without the goons. But you know...

So yeah, I sort of agree with you. This kind of meta-gaming should be off-limits. But, well....that's EvE...and this is exactly the kind of game the goons like to play. I can't really bring myself to feel to sorry for them about it, and I'm sure they'll survive.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-03-28 00:02:14 UTC
Clyde ElectraGlide wrote:
Completely agreed. The only people that are raging about this are people that will suffer from the titan nerf, a possible incursion nerf, Riverini, and NPC forum alts. Meanwhile rational thinkers can see beyond the bullshit and discover that there is actually no problem. Mittens did a dumb thing while drunk, realised what he did and wrote a heartfelt apology (along with giving him all the money in his character's wallet). The Wis didn't even realise that this happened until someone in-game pointed it out, and even then he (Wis) remained completely indifferent about the incident.

(By the way, this probably should have gone in the apology thread to avoid further clogging of GD with topics about this)



Rational thinkers see a dangerous precedent that can be set if the right actions are not taken. A slap on the wrist is not acceptable in this case.

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Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#23 - 2012-03-28 00:02:23 UTC
Clyde ElectraGlide wrote:
Completely agreed. The only people that are raging about this are people that will suffer from the titan nerf, a possible incursion nerf, Riverini, and NPC forum alts. Meanwhile rational thinkers can see beyond the bullshit and discover that there is actually no problem. Mittens did a dumb thing while drunk, realised what he did and wrote a heartfelt apology (along with giving him all the money in his character's wallet). The Wis didn't even realise that this happened until someone in-game pointed it out, and even then he (Wis) remained completely indifferent about the incident.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#24 - 2012-03-28 00:03:08 UTC
Terminal Insanity wrote:
........that doesnt give you the right to make more wrongs by deliberately straining CCP's business relationships in order to serve your own goals.



I repeat, the mittani already accomplished that quite spectacularly.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-03-28 00:03:16 UTC
Indeed, there are a scary number of people who say Mittens is harming Eve, thus we need to make sure EVERY site talks about how bad Eve is because of him.

It's depressing really. The people ranting and posting on every single site they can find have done 10x the damage The Mittani's comments ever did.

I'm seeing several sites where the same people are posing on sites bringing it up.. The more bad press they make, the more they get to say "See, here's all the bad press he caused.."

Not saying I support Mittani.. Not defending his actions.. But really there is a large number of people in the community who need to take a look in the mirror at themselves, and their motivations.

That's also not to paint everyone who is upset at this with the same brush either, a lot have honest issues and no motivations beyond that.. but there are far far too many who do.. and they are doing their best to see that CCP and Eve gets as much bad press as it can because they have some hate for the man, his alliance, or his positions.
Ustrello
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-03-28 00:03:24 UTC
Selinate wrote:
Clyde ElectraGlide wrote:
Completely agreed. The only people that are raging about this are people that will suffer from the titan nerf, a possible incursion nerf, Riverini, and NPC forum alts.


I am not affected by any of those things, just like a lot of the people who are posting about this.

Speculate all you want about the people who are pissed off about this, but this bad attempt at profiling doesn't change anything. Something must be done to reprimand him and everyone who would do something like what the mittani did.


If you are so concerned about the wis have you send him a message to see if he is ok?

No?

Didnt think so
Bibosikus
Air
#27 - 2012-03-28 00:03:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Bibosikus
@OP - you seem to be entirely ignorant of how journalism works. It's proactive. Web sites like the Eve forums are daily bread for games journalists - they trawl them each & every day looking for rumours, gossip and sensationalism.

What they do not do is wade through their inboxes reading thousands of badly written emails from indignant/excited/desperate gamers, hoping to find some tidbit of news.

I will bet my entire wallet that 99% of the oog articles about this fiasco were discovered independently by the writers themselves. That's what they're trained and paid to do.

You can also be damn sure that CCP's PR machine will have already contacted Sony and any other possibly affected or interested parties. It's called "damage limitation".

So get your facts right, and stop laying into the community.

Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#28 - 2012-03-28 00:03:52 UTC
Marduk Nibiru wrote:
Terminal Insanity wrote:
Its how many days now since the incident? And we still have people posting articles to news sites and searching for Sony reps twitter accounts specifically to abuse the CCP/Sony relationship to remove Mittani from the game.

If any of you were concerned with The Wis you would have taken it up privately with CCP and The Wis. By smearing his private life across the public stage you are exposing The Wis to far more abuse then The Mittani and goonswarm EVER did. Sure, Mittani may have already smeared it infront of a FANFEST camera, who's audience is pretty much purely Eve players. But what the rest of you have done is taken it MUCH further. You've now taken it onto every news site, twitter account, and facebook page you can find.

You all say its hurting the game's reputation? You're the ones who smeared it across every news site you could find. CCP would have handled the situation in private where they could show The Wis the dignity he deserved.

You have now started to search for ways to deliberately abuse CCP's industry relationships. If the abuse of the Wis isnt enough, many of you are now in violation of the EULA by deliberately damaging CCP's business in order to further your selfish in-game goals.

Anyone deliberately dragging CCP's name through the gutter in order to accomplish their in-game goals should be held equally accountable for their violations of the EULA.


To be fair...do you honestly think that the goons wouldn't be doing the same thing to get rid of an enemy alliance leader given the opportunity? They're not exactly known for having any sort of boundaries when it comes to metagaming. I have no reason to believe they wouldn't.

And then we'd see a bunch of "pubbies" complaining how it's hurting EvE and a bunch of goons saying, "Cry me a river."

It's a little hypocritical but then again, it's to be expected a bit too. **** off the whole world and the world isn't exactly motivated to come to your defense. It's like the child-raping, drug dealing murderer suddenly taking a stance for civil rights. Sure, rights may have been violated but such people don't make good defendants for that kind of thing.

The Mittani may make a great villain. Alex may make a good CSM member and chair. The game wouldn't be the same without the goons. But you know...

So yeah, I sort of agree with you. This kind of meta-gaming should be off-limits. But, well....that's EvE...and this is exactly the kind of game the goons like to play. I can't really bring myself to feel to sorry for them about it, and I'm sure they'll survive.



Should be off limits but the Goons lead the way to where we are today. They are just mad the shoe is on the other foot.

Their Damage control II is not working very well either.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
seany1212
M Y S T
#29 - 2012-03-28 00:04:04 UTC
Kessiaan wrote:
Eve's playerbase has always been rowdy and the metagame is vast and terrifying.

Mittani made one stupid comment in fit of drunkenness, which he has since apologized for. Other people who could not possibly care less about whether the kid lives or dies have intentionally turned this into a political football to further their own agenda. You tell me whose conduct is more shameful.


QFT, it's the new playerbase, full of uninformed WoW fools that come in spewing garbage in pretty much every freshly created anti-mittani thread going. Didn't see this much crap for Ankhesentacrackhead throwing spoons or larkgate. Noobs these days Roll
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-03-28 00:04:16 UTC
Snow Axe wrote:
The same people responsible for driving this non-issue along would burn down CCP headquarters if it meant Mittens would get removed from the CSM or the game, and then unironically blame him for it.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Lord Mandelor
Oruze Cruise
White Stag Exit Bag
#31 - 2012-03-28 00:05:20 UTC
Good show OP.
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#32 - 2012-03-28 00:05:24 UTC
Kessiaan wrote:
Mittani made one stupid comment in fit of drunkenness



Untrue. It was QUITE A LOT of them TBH. For over 15 freakingly painful minutes to watch.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Sasha Azala
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-03-28 00:05:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Sasha Azala
The majority of people have not taken it out of these forums so you can't just blame everyone for what you don't want to hear.
Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#34 - 2012-03-28 00:06:00 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Never underestimate the power of stupid in large numbers.




Over 10,000 at last count......Cool


Signature removed - CCP Eterne
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2012-03-28 00:07:36 UTC
Ustrello wrote:
Selinate wrote:
Clyde ElectraGlide wrote:
Completely agreed. The only people that are raging about this are people that will suffer from the titan nerf, a possible incursion nerf, Riverini, and NPC forum alts.


I am not affected by any of those things, just like a lot of the people who are posting about this.

Speculate all you want about the people who are pissed off about this, but this bad attempt at profiling doesn't change anything. Something must be done to reprimand him and everyone who would do something like what the mittani did.


If you are so concerned about the wis have you send him a message to see if he is ok?

No?

Didnt think so



Thats because it wasnt about him. It was about the implications Alexs actions could have had and the very real threat of violence saying push someone to IRL death means. It could have been anyone. But the real Alex came out and thats what people dont like.

A simple apology is not acceptable in this case as he was sanctioning the real life death of another human being by his comments. Especially when it comes to the goon mentality its believable they would have done just what he said and laughed about it up until they pushed someone over the edge.

The irresponsible and dangerous and malicious nature of what he did must be dealt with harshly.

I was drunk will not fly.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Selinate
#36 - 2012-03-28 00:07:43 UTC
Ustrello wrote:


If you are so concerned about the wis have you send him a message to see if he is ok?

No?

Didnt think so


It has already been established that The Wis is quite alright at this moment, and I am more concerned about the appropriate actions that CCP takes after this event has transpired. This kind of behavior can not be tolerated.

I'm not really sure why every single person who has something to say about this incident has to send a message to The Wis to make sure he's ok either. That's a bit of a half-baked conclusion...
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#37 - 2012-03-28 00:08:08 UTC
In 2 pages Terminal's point has easily been made.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
RougeOperator
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2012-03-28 00:09:25 UTC
Sentinel Smith wrote:
Indeed, there are a scary number of people who say Mittens is harming Eve, thus we need to make sure EVERY site talks about how bad Eve is because of him.

It's depressing really. The people ranting and posting on every single site they can find have done 10x the damage The Mittani's comments ever did.

I'm seeing several sites where the same people are posing on sites bringing it up.. The more bad press they make, the more they get to say "See, here's all the bad press he caused.."

Not saying I support Mittani.. Not defending his actions.. But really there is a large number of people in the community who need to take a look in the mirror at themselves, and their motivations.

That's also not to paint everyone who is upset at this with the same brush either, a lot have honest issues and no motivations beyond that.. but there are far far too many who do.. and they are doing their best to see that CCP and Eve gets as much bad press as it can because they have some hate for the man, his alliance, or his positions.


Oh lord, tinfoil hats for everyone.

**Space wizards are real, they can make 10058 votes vanish. "and for a moment i hurd 10k goons cry out, then silence" **
Ustrello
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-03-28 00:12:51 UTC
Man the hypocrisy in this thread.

We are mad at mittani for saying to a player go kill yourself! But no! This isn't about the guy with the mental health problems at all!
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2012-03-28 00:14:19 UTC
RougeOperator wrote:
Oh lord, tinfoil hats for everyone.

Having a Faraday Cage works much better.. Less fashionable, bust lets face it, none of us go outside anyway.