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Rumors of new Amarrian military technologies

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Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-03-27 19:12:33 UTC
There is speculation, though none of which confirmed, that Amarrian ground soldiers may soon be fitted with similar cloning technology as us capsuleers.

This can be rather alarming to enemies, or those unfriendly to the Empire. The Amarrian's superior numbers paired with extreme fanaticism and now the ability to join the immortals will give them a massive edge on the Battlefield.

It seems rather strange for Amarrians to adopt this rumored technology, seemingly before everyone else. Although Jamyl is a more progressive Empress, this is a completely unprecedented occurrence. This is even stranger because Amarrians have always frowned upon the use of cloning and have barely started to accept it. I guess this is too good of an opportunity to give up.

Discuss, keep in mind that nothing is confirmed but speculated.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-03-27 19:25:48 UTC
Fredfredbug4 wrote:
There is speculation, though none of which confirmed, that Amarrian ground soldiers may soon be fitted with similar cloning technology as us capsuleers.

This can be rather alarming to enemies, or those unfriendly to the Empire. The Amarrian's superior numbers paired with extreme fanaticism and now the ability to join the immortals will give them a massive edge on the Battlefield.

It seems rather strange for Amarrians to adopt this rumored technology, seemingly before everyone else. Although Jamyl is a more progressive Empress, this is a completely unprecedented occurrence. This is even stranger because Amarrians have always frowned upon the use of cloning and have barely started to accept it. I guess this is too good of an opportunity to give up.

Discuss, keep in mind that nothing is confirmed but speculated.


"Sacred Flesh" applies only to Royalty. Amarrians have many opinions on the matter, and don't forget an entire Region (The Khanid Kingdom), embraces and encourages the technology.

As to your 'story' I'm sure you've some evidence?

Surely such a vast technological undertaking would raise some alarms in other governments? I'd imagine such a grand breakthrough, and the conflict that would surely result from such technology could scarcely be kept secret.


Sabik now, Sabik forever

Astrid Stjerna
Sebiestor Tribe
#3 - 2012-03-27 19:42:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Astrid Stjerna
Silas Vitalia wrote:

"Sacred Flesh" applies only to Royalty. Amarrians have many opinions on the matter, and don't forget an entire Region (The Khanid Kingdom), embraces and encourages the technology.

As to your 'story' I'm sure you've some evidence?

Surely such a vast technological undertaking would raise some alarms in other governments? I'd imagine such a grand breakthrough, and the conflict that would surely result from such technology could scarcely be kept secret.




There have been rumors for a couple of months now that capsuleers have been participating in independent studies about ground troops and cloning. Nothing solid yet.

Personally, I'm waiting for more information before I speculate.

I can't get rid of my darn signature!  Oh, wait....

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-03-27 19:43:35 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:

As to your 'story' I'm sure you've some evidence?

Surely such a vast technological undertaking would raise some alarms in other governments? I'd imagine such a grand breakthrough, and the conflict that would surely result from such technology could scarcely be kept secret.





OOC Post for clarification: Not sure if a trailer counts as evidence. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GI53ydJaus8


*Now leaving OOC

There is no significant evidence that may suggest this, however there has been some talk among military officials in the Empire that strange artifacts, supposedly sleeper, have been found that could enhance clone technology, possibly superior to that which us capsuleers use.

Think of it this way, our pods enable a perfect "snapshot" of our brains to be taken a split second before death which enables us to be cloned with our memories and consciousness.

This new technology allegedly can cause a direct transfer of consciousness rather than a snapshot and without the need for a pod. I don't know how that's possible though.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-03-27 22:29:44 UTC
More than a little worrying. Speaking strictly objectively, the amount of lives lost because of us capsuleers is nothing less than staggering. Of course these deaths have been limited to space and those who chose to venture into it. While it prides me that the Empire is once again leading innovation, its only a matter of time before such technology spreads. In the wrong hands this could lead to nothing short of a Holocaust.

I do fear for those under my care. I would hate to see my families vineyard turned into scorched earth and dead bodies because someone wanted to make a political point. Or worse, for a few isk.
Khazarn Areth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-03-28 00:53:15 UTC
More clone blood to reap in the coming harvest.

Bloody Omir's coming back Monsters from the endless black Wading through a crimson flood Omir's come to drink your blood

N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#7 - 2012-03-28 01:35:24 UTC
Allow me to be clear:

There are numerous rumours regarding new military technology development of some kind, possibly stemming from events at a place called Pike's Landing in the Minmatar Republic.

As of yet, no solid, measurable evidence has been brought to light.

At all.

These rumours remain purely speculative

**Vherokior **

Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#8 - 2012-03-28 02:24:19 UTC
N'maro Makari wrote:
Allow me to be clear:

There are numerous rumours regarding new military technology development of some kind, possibly stemming from events at a place called Pike's Landing in the Minmatar Republic.

As of yet, no solid, measurable evidence has been brought to light.

At all.

These rumours remain purely speculative


Allow me to be more clear: you are not correct in asserting that there has been "no evidence... at all." Your recognition of that evidence is not required.
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#9 - 2012-03-28 09:17:03 UTC
Oh goody, another excuse for CONCORD to encourage pointless conflict with little value, progress or point as an industrial stimulator. No doubt these theoretical soldiers would be roped into the same net of contracts and caveats to render them toothless, then fed distractions to prevent them rocking the boat. Just how far is the assembly going to go in maintaining this farce? First we had capsuleer fleets clashing and doing nothing. Now we're going to have armies clashing and doing nothing, since there will be even fewer casualties. Aside from the local population.
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#10 - 2012-03-28 12:01:08 UTC
Gosakumori Noh wrote:
N'maro Makari wrote:
Allow me to be clear:

There are numerous rumours regarding new military technology development of some kind, possibly stemming from events at a place called Pike's Landing in the Minmatar Republic.

As of yet, no solid, measurable evidence has been brought to light.

At all.

These rumours remain purely speculative


Allow me to be more clear: you are not correct in asserting that there has been "no evidence... at all." Your recognition of that evidence is not required.


I suppose you have proof then?

**Vherokior **

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#11 - 2012-03-28 12:16:48 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
Oh goody, another excuse for CONCORD to encourage pointless conflict with little value, progress or point as an industrial stimulator. No doubt these theoretical soldiers would be roped into the same net of contracts and caveats to render them toothless, then fed distractions to prevent them rocking the boat. Just how far is the assembly going to go in maintaining this farce? First we had capsuleer fleets clashing and doing nothing. Now we're going to have armies clashing and doing nothing, since there will be even fewer casualties. Aside from the local population.


CONCORD is the only thing that prevents New Eden to fall in a total war, and also the only entity actively doing something against the Sansha Nation, even if that means counting exclusively on capsuleers.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#12 - 2012-03-28 15:16:55 UTC
Incorrect Farel. What keeps us all from killing each other is common sense and the military doctrine known as mutually assured destruction.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.

Bucky O'Hair
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-03-28 15:46:14 UTC
Ushra’Khan finds this news alarming, and as such we have dispatched agents of our own to verify the validity of this claim. If they do find supporting information, they have been instructed to acquire this technology by any means necessary, so that the Minmatar Republic can build its own immortal army of Valklear Guard.

[b]We Are Ushra'Khan!

We are coming for our people.[/b]

Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-03-28 19:30:46 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Incorrect Farel. What keeps us all from killing each other is common sense and the military doctrine known as mutually assured destruction.


I have to disagree. You must remember the Empyrean Wars. Even though the Caldari were not involved in the Amarr- Minmatar battles that ensued after the CONCORD network was brought down they used that opportunity to "liberate" Caldari Prime.

Mutually assured destruction means nothing right now. It has been proven time and time again that the Empires are willing to risk everything if it means obliterating their enemies.


Back on topic, it will probably only be a matter of time before the other factions get a piece of this new technology. When the Caldari got pod technology it was barely a month before they saw Gallentean pilots with pods as well.

The real question is how long will the Amarr be able to maintain the edge before the others manage to copy what they have created (or possibly reversed engineered)?

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2012-03-28 20:17:16 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Incorrect Farel. What keeps us all from killing each other is common sense and the military doctrine known as mutually assured destruction.


Like when the Caldari blockaded the Luminaire system ? Like when the Elders invaded the Empire ? Like when the Sansha Nation came back from Anoikis and started to uplift people, where every faction was unable to raise the smallest finger, all their technology rendered powerless against their aggressors ?
Gosakumori Noh
Coven of One
#16 - 2012-03-29 00:51:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Gosakumori Noh
N'maro Makari wrote:

I suppose you have proof then?


Evidence is not proof, as a brick is not a wall. As for providing examples of "evidence," I go into some in our other conversation.
Repentence Tyrathlion
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#17 - 2012-03-29 14:44:27 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
CONCORD is the only thing that prevents New Eden to fall in a total war, and also the only entity actively doing something against the Sansha Nation, even if that means counting exclusively on capsuleers.


Don't misunderstand me. CONCORD has a purpose. I just happen to believe that among those purposes, apart from preventing the mutual annihilation of large parts of the cluster, is giving us capsuleers pretty lights to chase with no functional value to the world at large.

The Sansha incursions are the latest convenient distraction; and for a change, it's actually a valuable effort for all concerned. The Empyrean wars are not. That CONCORD and the individual nations persist in funding and supporting them, despite their complete lack of progress or result, is surely proof enough that they're simply a means of keeping us quiet. Not to mention the charming ability to engender hatred, panic and unity at home, because The Enemy is At the Gate!

No, it really isn't. The whole concept is a joke in rather poor taste.
Kel hound
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-03-29 23:08:50 UTC
Lets be honest with ourselves here. Miniaturization of capsuler technology is - or was as rumors would have us believe - inevitable. That Amarr are the first to do this - or claim to do this - is not actually that surprising. The largest of the 5 empires with the most resources and man-power behind them, I would be surprised if they were not at the for-front of this line of research.


In any case, if these rumors are true and I have no reason to doubt they are not then it will not be long before the other 3 empires aquire this technology as well. Once that has happend it is just a matter of time till this tech trickles down into the hands of capsulers like us.

I for one find it exciting to think how close we of neweaden are to literally curing death.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2012-03-29 23:10:54 UTC
Repentence Tyrathlion wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
CONCORD is the only thing that prevents New Eden to fall in a total war, and also the only entity actively doing something against the Sansha Nation, even if that means counting exclusively on capsuleers.


Don't misunderstand me. CONCORD has a purpose. I just happen to believe that among those purposes, apart from preventing the mutual annihilation of large parts of the cluster, is giving us capsuleers pretty lights to chase with no functional value to the world at large.

The Sansha incursions are the latest convenient distraction; and for a change, it's actually a valuable effort for all concerned. The Empyrean wars are not. That CONCORD and the individual nations persist in funding and supporting them, despite their complete lack of progress or result, is surely proof enough that they're simply a means of keeping us quiet. Not to mention the charming ability to engender hatred, panic and unity at home, because The Enemy is At the Gate!

No, it really isn't. The whole concept is a joke in rather poor taste.


Do not get me wrong either, if I was in charge that meaningless war would have never happened, the Elders would have been asked to stand down or hunted down for what they did, provist forces would have been "escorted" back into their own territory and Sarum's superweapon seized.

Unfortunately, facts like CONCORD not even raising the smallest fingers to bring guilty people to justice - like the Elders - combined to the fact that CONCORD was before all created by all the five signatories of the treaty of Yulai, four of them being the faction we are talking about, makes me believe that CONCORD can not simply do everything that they wish. If the war continue, maybe it is for the reasons you state, even as paranoid as I find them, they are not absurd either, or maybe it is just because of the true limits of CONCORD's power itself : if all the factions eventually lose their trust or support in CONCORD someday, then it will be the end for CONCORD, and they know it.
Thgil Goldcore
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-03-29 23:25:41 UTC
If true, this may be a sign that concord's technological advantage is slowly eroding. If the various factions technology was on par with those of concord we may see a very different New Eden come about.
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